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and given us a chance at it. And I will ask, gentlemen, that if in the 

 course of the presentation of their case (which seems to be corning later) 

 the gentlemen on the other side of this question should adduce any new 

 arguments, any new theories, any new facts or alleged facts wi, ch they 

 have not yet placed before your committee, our side may be given the 

 right and we claim it as a right, not a privilege to reply to anything 

 we deem worthy of notice. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I think the committee has been very liberal 

 in that respect thus far. We have allowed the interruptions and cross- 

 questioning all along the line by both sides. 



Mr. SCHELL. Yes; we concede that the committee has been very lib- 

 eral, and we have no fault to find with the committee. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. This has been purely a Congressional 

 hearing. It is exactly what it is represented to be. It is not colored 

 at all. 



Mr. SCHELL. It is sailing under the proper colors. I conceded that 

 in the start. 



Now, the attitude of the friends of this bill, gentlemen, can perhaps 

 be denned as a good old Methodist minister (I forget his name now 

 yon will probably all recall the story) defined Presbyterianism. Now, 

 with Presbyterianism or Methodism I have no fault to find, and I do 

 not relate this story with the idea of any reflection on either denomina- 

 tion. But, in speaking of the Presbyterian doctrine, you will recall 

 that he defined it as "I can and I can't; I will and I won't; I'll be 

 damned if I do, and damned if I don't." (Laughter.] 



Now, I am going to do what has not been done by our side as yet. 

 I am going to dignify with a rtply some of the things which have been 

 said by the other side, and which have been presented to your commit- 

 tee in a bunch, perhaps with the idea of their receiving attention and 

 perhaps to confuse the record. 



My colleagues have, each in his own way, stated their views. Not 

 one has claimed to be the favored of the Lord, entitled to protection. 

 Not one has asked a favor. They have only asked their rights, equal 

 rights with all men, as guaranteed by the Constitution. 



I shall give some attention to the other side and, since we shall 

 follow largely what has heretofore been said, I can not be as logical as 

 I would like. But I will aim to treat the subject under three general 

 heads. These heads are: 



First. The bill. 



Second. The friends and foes of the bill. 



Third. The alleged rival products. (We do not concede that they are 

 rival products, but they are claimed to be.) 



A great and good man once said: " By their fruits ye shall know 

 them." And it would appear from that and other reasons that an 

 examination of the bill would be sufficient; but sometimes it is well to 

 examine the tree, especially when the fruit is such a l)ead Sea apple as 

 the Grout bill. But the Good Book also says : " The last shall be first." 

 So we will take up first the alleged rival products, or the subject matter 

 of the bill. 



Butter and butterine are almost identical in every respect. As to 

 their ingredients, they are identical, except that butter contains just a 

 little more butyric acid. You gentlemen will recall, from your studies 

 of chemistry and physiology, that there are only four kinds of fat 

 olein, stearin, palmitin, and butyrin. In butter there is just a little 

 more butyrin ; and the presence of this butyrin is the only means by 



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