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over, and handle it carefully, tbe tint is a purer tint. It is not a dirty 

 gray. 



Mr. SCHELL. If! 



Senator HEITFELD. Of course the "if "is there. 



Mr. SCHELL. I am going to come to that later on. 



Senator HEITFELD. I have done a great deal of churning in my time, 

 and seen a good deal of it done, and been in the business of making 

 butter. I supposed that it approached a yellow color, from long and 

 careful observation. 



Mr. SCHELL. I have no doubt, gentlemen, that the butter which 

 either one of you gentlemen would make would be a yellow butter. 



Senator DOLLIVER. The poets have always described butter as 

 yellow. 



Mr. SCHELL. Yes, the highest class of butter, perhaps, and even then 

 were exercising a poetic license. 



Senator HEITFELD. I am afraid the rural districts you got into were 

 not of the best. 



Mr. SCHELL. All kinds, gentlemen; but, I will treat that subject later 

 on, in speaking of the different kinds of butter. 



Senator HEITFELD. 1 think we are satisfied as regards that part of it. 



Mr. SCHELL. I am afraid you are satisfied the wrong way. [Laughter.] 

 I want to convince. 



As to the nutritive qualities of butterine, I think there can be no 

 question. The chemists agree on that subject. The other side very 

 faintly claim that the nutritive qualities are not the same as those of 

 butter; but they have not made their case or even introduced any 

 testimony. Until they do, we do not have to go into that. We do not 

 think it necessary. It would be presuming on the intelligence of the 

 committee to do it. 



As to the melting point, there are various claims made by the other 

 side. In the testimony of Mr. Miller, in the hearing before the House 

 committee, at page 200, this matter is gone into; and Professor Wiley, 

 I think, makes the claim (at least it is a fact) that the mere melting 

 point does not make any particular difference; because the melting 

 points of apples, meat, etc., if they have any melting point, are con- 

 siderably higher than that of butter; and their nutritive qualities are 

 not questioned. 



There has been no serious question or claim on the subject of nutrition 

 and the perfect healthfullness of the article, except by Mr. Flanders 

 and Attorney Kauffman. Mr. Hamilton thought the matter not de- 

 cided; and Governor Hoard and Mr. Knight merely raised the question, 

 but brought in no evidence. 



Mr. HOARD. You say I did not bring in any evidence? Turn, if you 

 please, to my statement before the agricultural committee, and you 

 will find the evidence there stated specifically. 



Mr. SCHELL. I will state from recollection that Governor Hoard, in 

 that statement, after touching on the subject, passed on and spoke of 

 the condition of certain alms houses in England. 



Mr. HOARD. I gave the evidence there- 

 Mr. SCHELL. But there is nothing there that will be considered as 

 evidence before any court, or before a committee, in passing upon a 

 matter according to the rights. We are charged in this case with being 

 guilty of something. It must be proven, and it must not be proven on 

 hearsay, loose, random statements of some partisan in a partisan paper 

 in regard to the condition of alms houses over in England. But be that 

 as it may, no question can honestly 



