268 OLEOMAKGAKINE. 



Senator BATE. Is that the question here ? Why not have the speaker 

 go ahead ? 



Senator DOLLIVER. I presume the committee would prefer to have 

 Mr. Schell proceed. 



Mr. SCHELL. Why, Senator, the only question is this you were not 

 in when I began. I find, on examination of the record, the evidence 

 presented, that the friends of this measure are not on record as to 

 exactly what they want whether they want to absolutely prohibit the 

 manufacture of colored oleomargarine, or whether they simply want it, 

 as it is claimed by some, so hedged about that it would be impossible 

 for it to encroach upon the territory of pure butter. That is all. 



Senator BATE. I was not referring to that so much as to the irregu- 

 larity of a colloquy between the witness and an outsider. I do not 

 think they should both go on and proceed to occupy the time of the 

 committee in that way. I thought that was exactly the thing we were 

 not to do. 



Mr. SCHELL. Being anxious in every way to comply with any rule or 

 regulation, we will drop that. 



Senator BATE. I have no objection to it, sir, if the committee desires 

 to have the hearing proceed in this way. I was simply calling atten- 

 tion to it. 



Senator DOLLIVER. In view of the circumstances, I see no objection 

 to what has occurred. 



Mr. ADAMS. Well, gentlemen of the committee, I did not ask the 

 question for the purpose of getting an opportunity to answer another 

 pne. I imagined that the gentlemen perhaps might prefer, as many 

 men do in appearing before a committee upon a subject of this kind, 

 to have the subject opened up with the greatest latitude possible, in 

 order to get all the information which we can. But, waiving; my own 

 question, and replying; to the question of the gentleman, I wish to say 

 that I would be heartily in favor of a law which would make all men 

 weigh 165 pounds. I do not think that such a law is possible. I do 

 not think that you could execute it. I believe that such a law as the 

 gentleman names is an impossible proposition. I do not believe that 

 you can draw any law which will absolutely prevent the fraudulent 

 sale of oleomargarine colored in imitation of yellow butter. If the 

 impossible were possible, I should be in favor of it. 



Senator MONEY. That can be said of any law which ever has been 

 or ever will be passed. There never was a law passed anywhere which 

 could not be evaded in some way. 



Mr. SCHELL. I am obliged to Mr. Adams. 



Now, I come to the question, u Are these various products competi- 

 tive ?" We insist that they are not. Every article sold in the United 

 States, not governed by a trust, is sold on its merits. 1 take that to 

 be a conceded fact. Th< re is an immense market for the creamery 

 product at prices according to the grade of goods. Even the different 

 grades of creamery butter must sell on their own merits, and not in 

 competition with the higher grades. 



Mr. Hamilton, of Pennsylvania, as I understood him, said that the 

 production of creamery butter in his State could be doubled and still 

 find a home market. There is no question of any competition with 

 creamery butter, I take it. Now, good butter makers, as I have stated, 

 have a market the year around from 25 cents a pound up for their 

 product. As an evidence, Mr. Sharpless gets 35 cents a pound. His 

 only objection seems to be that he wants to get that to 50. There he is 

 in competition with the creameries, and the creameries are in competi- 



