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(Thereupon, at 12 o'clock m., the committee took a recess until 2.30 

 o'clock p. in.) 



At the expiration of the recess the committee resumed its session. 



Present: Senator Dolliver (acting chairman); 0. Y. Knight, secre- 

 tary of the National Dairy Union; Hon. William M. Springer, of 

 Sringfield, 111., representing the National Live Stock Association; 

 Frank VV. Tillinghast, representing the Vermont Manufacturing Com- 

 pany, of Providence, K. I.; Charles E. Schell, representing the Ohio 

 Butterine Company, of Cincinnati, Ohio; Patrick Dolan, president of 

 the United Mine Workers' Association; John Pierce, representing the 

 Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers; W. E. Miller, 

 representing the Armour Packing Company, Kansas City, Mo.; 

 John F. Jelke, representing Braun & Fitts, Chicago, 111., and others. 



Mr. SCHELL at this point permitted an interruption to hear from Mr. 

 Patrick Dolan and Mr. John Pierce, whose statements against the bill 

 appear later. 



CONTINUATION OF STATEMENT OF CHARLES E. SCHELL. 



Mr. SCHELL. Before I go ahead I want to say that what these gen- 

 tlemen have said has cut down niy remarks somewhat. But I want to 

 add to what they have both said, and in reply to your questions, before 

 going on with my argument, that the poor man has his pride just the 

 same as the rich man; and, as the first gentleman put it, they do not 

 want their poverty legislated on their table three times a day, as would 

 be the case if they were compelled to use white oleomargarine or go 

 without anything to spread on their bread at all. 



On the subject of frauds that are perpetrated I will speak later on, 

 and will invite any questions which the Chair or the committee may 

 deem proper to ask as to what I know about it. 



This morning I was enumerating the various people who were before 

 the committee, by their duly authorized representatives, asking that 

 this bill should not become a law. Not that that should have any 

 effect; it is not the people who count; it is a question whether or not 

 it is a just and proper measure. Of course, they all want to be heard. 

 Every man who is interested is entitled to be heard and entitled to be 

 considered. But the main question still remains, u Is it a proper sub- 

 ject for legislation, and does the bill properly legislate on this subject?" 



In addition to the people I named this morning, we have on our side 

 every intelligent farmer not the farmers who are dictated to by the 

 dairy-paper publishers or the representatives of the would-be butter 

 trust, but the farmer who thinks for himself, because he knows that 

 everything that is on his farm is enhanced in value by reason of the 

 increased market for a part of what he raises. Every time that his 

 beef is increased in value its competitor, the sheep, goes up just that 

 much; poultry will bring a great deal better price, and so on through 

 every product that he raises that goes into the markets for people to 

 eat. 



Now. these two gentlemen who have just spoken are here directly 

 representing 65,000 of another class, a very small portion of another 

 class, who must eat either white bleo or gravy, as the case may be, in 

 case this bill becomes a law. The ordinary "sop " which you as politi- 

 cians have probably found on the tables of a great many of your con- 

 stituents, the same which I have found on the tables ot many people 

 with whom I have stopped when out bicycling, riding, hunting, or 

 fishing, does not parade the poverty of the man who has it on his table 



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