276 OLEOMARGARINE. 



and will substantiate what he says. I will bring him from the Public 

 Printing Office. He is a man of whom I never heard. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. We will have no controversy; but Mr. 

 Knight disclaims the responsibility for the letter. 



Mr. KNIGHT. He will be vouched for by Eepresentative Cooper, of 

 Wisconsin, who got him the position there, and who vouches for this 

 man Loebbler, and can tell Mr. Cowan or Inspector McGiunis where he 

 will find him and what his position is. And he will also give this com- 

 mittee, if it desires it, some information which will substantiate what 

 this man wrote. 



Senator HEITFELD. Where do you find that letter here? 



Mr. SCHELL. The letter is not shown here. The report on the letter 

 is given at page 171. 



Mr. KNIGHT. I will further give the name of the man .that I will 

 bring. His name is Eeed. He is foreman of a department at the Pub- 

 lic Printing Office. 



Mr. SCHELL. On that subject I want, before I go any further, to say 

 that I am going to stick to the record; I am not going outside of the 

 record. 



Mr. KNIGHT. All right, sir. 



Mr. SCHELL. And, as I understand, these gentlemen claim the right 

 to close. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Yes. 



Mr. SCHELL. They have not presented their case, but they want to 

 close. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. The chairman permitted Mr. Knight to 

 speak simply because I understood he had been charged with the 

 authorship of a letter which he denied writing. 



Mr. SCHELL. 1 am willing that he should go on record now as deny- 

 ing it. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Now, the gentleman will proceed without 

 interruption. 



Mr. SCHELL. That is all right. Commissioner W T ilson goes on further 

 and says, on page 177 : ll I think everybody buys it. I think it is clean 

 and reputable" referring to oleomargarine. Representative Allen 

 asked: u Do you regard its manufacture as a fixed industry in the coun- 

 try, which ought not to be abolished ! 



"Commissioner Wilson. Yes, sir; I certainly do; and, if I may ven. 

 ture this statement (you will pardon me if I go beyond what I should 

 say), I will say to you, gentlemen, that any legislation which you may 

 enact here with respect to stamping or identifying as an entity the 

 quantity of eleomargarine that goes into the hands of A, B, or C to be 

 used on their tables will give it a badge of credibility that it would not 

 get anywhere else." 



That is his opinion. Speaking of the factories, he says: "They are 

 wonderfully cleanly conducted affairs." Then he touches on the ques- 

 tion of revenue showing an income of a million and a half per year. 

 On that point, I believe, there is no doubt. 



Then I want to call attention to just one statement of Professor 

 Wiley; and as to the other testimony, I will simply refer to it for proof, 

 if wanted, that the millions of individuals and investments are actually 

 opposed to the passage of this bill. 



Professor Wiley condemns anything being sold for otherwise than 

 what it is, and he wants it so that the purchaser may know what it is. 

 That is right. Then he says (p. 196) : 



And that is the attitude that I hold toward pure-food legislation that it should 

 be general and not special in its character. T Relieve that the dairy interests would 



