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cers, pure-food commissioners, chemists, and so forth ad infinitum. 

 They remind me of the story of the old Scotch woman, who was dwell- 

 ing on the wickedness of the world. Her minister said : "Well, if what 

 you say is correct, nobody is sure of heaven but you and John." "Oh, 

 well," said she, u I am nae so sure about John." ( Laughter.) 



They submitted their pretended case briefly and announced that they 

 were through. The record shows it. But they have taken most of the 

 time allotted to us and half the time of our speakers, either in actual 

 talking or in diverting the speaker from his course of thought, as a 

 result of which he has necessarily to repeat himself except Mr. Gard- 

 ner, who spoke before they recovered from their surprise that we were 

 to be allowed to be heard at all; and Mr. Pirrung, who would not per- 

 mit of interruption. And later, after their case had been submitted, 

 as we supposed, they claimed the right to close. 



We do not object to that. But we do not want to impose on the 

 committee. Xor do we want to help the other side. They are certainly 

 entitled to rebut not to make their case later on, but to rebut any 

 testimony which we have offered. And we claim the right then to 

 rebut any new testimony which they offer. And I know, from the 

 fairness heretofore displayed by this committee, that we will have it. 



Mr. ADAMS. Has the gentleman any record of any claim made by the 

 friends of this bill that they should close the thing? 



Mr. SCHELL. Oh, yes; it is in the record. Then again, they are 

 really entitled to close, but not to make their case in the closing 

 presentation. 



Mr. ADAMS. I have not heard of it. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. There comes a moment, of course, when 

 this reciprocity of winding things up must cease. 



Mr. SCHELL. Certainly, certainly. The late lamented Edgar W. 

 Nye once said: u Some people want the earth. Others are content 

 with the fullness thereof." These gentlemen seem to want both the, earth 

 and the fullness thereof. I want to briefly mention the prominent 

 friends of the bill, beginning with Governor Hoard. I would rather 

 that the gentlemen would be present 



Senator HEITFELD. Had you not better confine yourself to the sub- 

 ject itself? We will hear from these men after a while. I think you 

 are mistaken about their reserving the right of closing. They may have 

 said that they reserved it and it may have been granted. Of course 

 we have changed chairman quite often and the members of the com- 

 mittee, as they have attended, have varied from two to four and six. 

 We have not had time to be present continuously and we may be mixed 

 on this subject. You say that this is in the record. I do not know, 

 but I think you had better confine yourself to the subject itself, so that 

 we will get through sometime. 



Mr. SCHELL. That is right. I want to confine myself to the subject 

 itself, and if it please the committee, I will aim to keep strictly within 

 the record. But we have been attacked. There have been claims 

 made. We will not say that we will analyze Governor Hoard. That 

 is not the intention, but we will analyze his statements. 



Senator HEITFELD. The committee is able to judge of these matters. 



Mr. SCHELL. But it is for the purpose of pointing out the weak 

 points in his claim, which is submitted here as a part of the introduc- 

 tion of the case the statements that were made by him and others 

 before the House Committee. I will be very brief. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will proceed, abstaining as 

 far as possible from any controversial personalities. 



