OLEOMARGARINE. 279 



Mr. SCHELL. Oh, yes certainly, certainly. E want to say that I 

 will sit quietly through anything which may be s;ud in reply to what- 

 ever I may say, and I will try not to transcend the bounds 



Mr. ADAMS. I wish to say, Mr. Chairman, in behalf of these gentle- 

 men who are to be subjected to analysis, that we have not the slightest 

 objection to it and are quite curious to hear it. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Only. Mr. Chairman, I want to say that I have been 

 accused of forgery in this committee and 



Mr. SCHELL. I have not accused you of it. 



Mr. ADAMS. You certainly did. You certainly said that it was the 

 general opinion that I wrote the letter to which the name of a man 

 named Loebbler was signed. 



Mr. SCHELL. No; J simply quoted from the record, and never heard 

 the name Loebbler till you just now used it. I do not vouch for any 

 statement that appears in this record produced by one side or the 

 other; but it is before the committee, was introduced by your side, and 

 we want to talk nbout it. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Was that in the record of the House that I was accused 

 of that? 



Mr. SCHELL. It was in the record of the House. You will find it on 

 the page 1 mentioned. Now, I hope my time will not be too limited, 

 but I want to get ahead. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. You can see the necessity of not accusing 

 people of this, that, or the other. 



Mr. SCHELL. I can, but a greater necessity exists for going fully into 

 what appears in the record. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Otherwise we will have that much more to 

 go into. 



Mr. SCHELL. That is right. 



Now, Governor Hoard, as appears by the record (Senate Committee 

 Hearing, p. 34), was artificially coloring cheese forty-five years ago in 

 New York. 



He is president of the National Dairy Union, serving without money 

 and without price. He does not say that he is serving here for noth- 

 ing, but leaves that impression. He is not so adroit with the 5,000,000 

 farmers whom he claims to represent as his colaborer, Mr. Knight. If 

 he could only get 50 cents apiece for the same proportion and $1,000 

 apiece for the balance, he would not need to longer deny the farmers of 

 his district an interest in his ten creameries, as suggested last Friday 

 by Mr. Lestrade. 



But to turn to the testimony, he begins: 



"Whom do we represent? The united dairy sentiment of the nation. 

 That means over 5,000,000 farmers, and an annual cash value in their 

 product of over $600,000,000." 



That is produced as an argument. I would not produce such an 

 argument before this committee. It is not an argument. It is simply 

 a statement to the effect, "Here we are, with these numbers back of us; 

 and you must do as we say." 



By what authority does he represent these people? He has not 

 shown it. He has not proven it. 



Then he goes on to say, also : 



A vast army of consumers of dairy products who are constantly duped and swin- 

 dled by a counterfeit substitute for butter. 



He has not proven that. These gentlemen who are here to day as 

 consumers deny it. One factory [ represent sells direct to more than 

 one thousand consumers. One of the Providence manufacturers told 



