288 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Mr. SCHELL. Have they exercised them, though? That is a ques- 

 tion I want to know about. 



Senator HEITFELD. Oh, yes. 1 think I can illustrate that by show- 

 ing you some of the petitions we have received. 



Mr. SCHELL. Petitions? Gentlemen, I could have brought you 

 here 



Senator HEITFELD. Oh, well; we understand all about that. 



Mr. SCHELL. Since I was here before, I could have had thousands 

 of letters and telegrams. I could have had Senator Foraker's time, 

 when he was in Cincinnati, completely taken ; I could have had the 

 hallway leading to his office, and his office, crowded with people pro- 

 testing against the enactment of this bill. I could have blocked the 

 elevator and had a waiting line three blocks long on the pavement. 



Senator DOLLIVER. The point I am making is that if it is important 

 to know the condition of public opinion as to this measure, the com- 

 mittee will neither rely upon your statement nor those of Mr. Knight. 



Mr. SCHELL. Or statements that emanate from either one of us, 

 through whatever source they may come? 



Senator DOLLIVER. The committee will have a thousand ways of 

 finding out what the public wants. 



Mr. SCHELL. But, gentlemen, that does not enter into this contro- 

 versy, or ought not to do so. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I think not. 



Mr. SCHELL. We now take up something that is material; and that 

 is, how well these laws have been enforced and how largely they have 

 been violated. Mr. Knight accounts before the House committee 

 (p. 61) for $1,670.13 of this fund which was contributed, which was 

 used for the purpose of prosecuting the Chicago dealers. He also 

 says at page 40, regarding why he ceased efforts, that the funds were 

 exhausted. Do 1 quote correctly? 



Mr. KNIGHT. I do not think so. That is an entirely separate thing, 

 Mr. Schell a separate organization. 



Mr. SCHELL. The record speaks for itself, pages 40 and 61. 



I read from page 40 : 



These cases were dismissed by the justice of the peace upon grounds that a subse- 

 quent statute had repealed the law under which the warrants were drawn, but not 

 until after $1,600 had been spent by the parties interested in an effort to stop this 

 gigantic fraud in the city of Chicago. The decision admitted of no appeal. The 

 Dairy Union's funds were exhausted. 



Now, I want to call attention to the fact that in all of these cases, in 

 every instance, except in the case of one Broadwell, the stamp was 

 always found on the wrapper. And as Mr. Bailey said : 



There could be no question about a man's finding the mark on any package you 

 have shown to me this morning; and with the publicity you have given it, I should 

 think that they would not find it profitable and people would not buy it. 



Then Mr. Knight goes on to say that the farmers are losing confi- 

 dence and losing heart. Mr. Bailey says (p. 64) : u ls not that contrary 

 to the evidence that Governor Hoard gave here the other day to the 

 effect that this industry has increased more than any other in the coun- 

 try to-day *? " 



Then the chairman asked the question : "Do you think Congress has 

 a right to legislate so as to make one article higher and another lower, 

 or to drive it out of the market ? ? ' 



Mr. KNIGHT. I do not think Congress has any business to look into that phase of 

 the matter at all. I think Congress should look out for protecting the consumer 

 and the health of the consumer. 



