OLEOMARGARINE. 289 



We agree about that. 



(At this point an informal recess was taken for a few moments in 

 order to allow members of the committee to return to the Senate Cham- 

 ber. After the recess had expired the following occurred:) 



Mr. ADAMS. Mr. Chairman, the statement was made Saturday, I 

 think by the chairman of the committee or by the acting chairman, that 

 these hearings would probably be concluded to-morrow or Wednesday. 

 However explicit or binding that was 1 do not know. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. If that is true the present speaker ought to 

 be admonished as to the consumption of time. 



Mr. SCHELL. The speaker, Mr. Chairman, has been admonishing 

 himself, and has cut out quite a good deal of what he intended to say, 

 because he feared to trespass too much on the patience of the committee. 



Mr. ADAMS. Mr. Chairman, if I may be permitted at this time, and if 

 the gentleman will suspend for a moment and it is only with your 

 consent that I will continue 



Mr. SCHELL. I would rather, since my time is limited 



Mr. ADAMS. What I am about to say does not relate to any questions 

 you are discussing, Mr. Schell, but simply to the order of the discus- 

 sion and the extent of it. 



Some of us are here representing the other side. We have had only 

 about 20 per cent of the time, perhaps, but we are not complaining. 

 We feel, however, that we can properly be heard by this committee, and 

 we would like to have a time designated, either to-morrow or Wednes- 

 day, when we can be heard. 



The representatives of the oleomargarine interests have oeen heard 

 here during the entire day a day which it was arranged last week 

 should betaken up by the representatives of the cotton- seed oil people. 

 Those representatives, as I understand, are here. They will undoubt- 

 edly want to be heard to-morrow. Now, as representing the friends of 

 the Grout bill, I would like to request of the committee that either 

 to-morrow or the day following be assigned for a hearing on our side of 

 the question. That is all I wish to say, simply to make everything 

 explicit and regular. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. The present chairman would not feel at 

 liberty to make any designation of that sort, but I think I can assure 

 the gentlemen that that will be done at the first of the session to-morrow 

 morning. That is to say, some orderly arrangement will be designated 

 by which these hearings can be wound up. 



Mr. ADAMS. That is all I ask. 



Mr. SCHELL. Mr. Chairman, I desire to call attention to a statement 

 of Congressman Grout before this committee. I mention this only to 

 get as nearly as possible on the record to what features of their claims 

 I, am referring, and how nearly they are a unit on what they claim, 

 and to enable us to get an understanding of the case, so that we may 

 know what they expect to realize from this bill, and their views of its 

 constitutionality. 



General Grout says, on page 6 : 



The power to tax, and tax out of existence, is unquestioned, as I believe, 

 gentlemen. 



Senator Allen says : 



Suppose it is apparent on the face of this bill that the motive for imposing the 

 tax is to destroy the thing taxed? 



Mr. Grout says : 



We deny this. We say that is not the motive. 



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