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well see the end of this hearing, because if we wait until everyone is 

 satisfied that his last word is final we will never get through. 



Senator MONEY. We can say, though, that the last word shall be 

 divided equally. We can say that 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. The committee can say, of course, exactly 

 what it pleases. 



Senator MONEY. But is not that fair? Is it not fair to say so? 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I should prefer to have it before the coin- 

 mfttee in the form of a motion. 



Senator MONEY. Very well; we will put it before them in the form 

 of a motion. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. That can be done when we get the full com- 

 mittee here. 



(Senator Foster thereupon took the chair.) 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Senator Foster). Mr. Schell, you may 

 proceed. 



Mr. SCHELL. Now, in support of my contention that probably all 

 over the country, as in Cincinnati according to my positive knowledge, 

 oleomargarine is not to any extent sold for butter, f want to quote 

 Representative Bailey at page 108 of the House hearings. He said 

 there : 



Let me give a little personal experience on that subject. I have spent parts of two 

 days in this market here. I have made two trips down through it for the purpose 

 of getting information on that very point. I went down there absolutely incognito, 

 and I tried my best to buy oleomargarine for butter. I went to this place and to 

 that, and did my best to do it without their knowing anything about 



Representative LAMB. What did you ask for? 



Representative BAILEY. I asked for butter. I would say, " What do you sell your 

 best creamery butter for?" "Thirty-five and 40 cents." "W T hat have you got 

 some other grade for?" They would say that they had a cheaper grade down to 

 28 cents, and I think the lowest butter I know of or had priced to me was 25 cents. 

 When it got below that it was oleomargarine or butterine every time. 



Now, I was unable in that market to buy a single pound of it, and I could not get 

 a single man to admit to me down there that it was sold not a single man. Now, I 

 want you to go down there, Mr. Lamb. I will tell you what I will do. I will bet 

 you a 5-dollar bill that, if you choose to try it, you can not get one of those men to 

 sell oleomargarine to you for butter. 



Senator HEITFELD. Was that in the market here? 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. That was in the city of Washington? 



Mr. SCHELL. Yes ; that was in the city of Washington. 



During the holidays I took dinner one day with Dr. W. A. Young, 

 at Dayton, Ky. At the same dinner table were his father-in-law and 

 his brother-in-law, both doctors. I recognized oleomargarine on the 

 table, and I made some comment about it. His wife flushed up, but Dr. 

 Young said, " Of course it is oleo." I said, " What do you buy it 

 for?" "For oleomargarine." "What do you call for?" " We called 

 for butter and thought we would get this, according to reports ; but 

 we found out that we had to call for oleomargarine in order to get it." 



"You did get butter, then, when you called for it?" "Yes, and we 

 got a very unsatisfactory product." I said, " Where do you get your 

 oleo?" "We get it at one of B. H. Kroger's stores." Those are the 

 stores operated by the gentleman whose advertisement appeared in the 

 Cincinnati Times-Star, and to which I called your attention yesterday. 



Now, in regard to this hotel talk about white butter, and so forth. 

 I travel back and forth over the country quite a good deal. I am in 

 Chicago, I suppose, two or three times a month; in New York fre- 

 quently, and in Washington, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cleveland, and 

 other large cities, and I have never as yet been given uncolored butter. 



