368 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Mr. KRACKE. I know it absolutely; because we went there and 

 asked them, and after that they testified to it. Moreover, they paid 

 28 cents a pound for it. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. In how many instances did you find that to be 

 true ? 



Mr. KRACKE, In every instance. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. How many were there? 



Mr. KRACKE. What do you mean? 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Of how many cases of that kind have yon any 

 recollection 1 



Mr. KRACKE. One thousand. [Laughter.] 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Do you mean prosecutions'? 



Mr. KRACKE. One thousand prosecutions. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. What was the prosecution for selling oleomar- 

 garine for butter? 



Mr. KRACKE. Selling oleomargarine for butter. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Or was it for selling oleomargarine colored? 



Mr. KRACKE. Selling colored oleomargarine for butter. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. That was what the prosecution was for? 



Mr. KRACKE. That was what the prosecution was for, and there were 

 1,000 convictions, too. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. In how long a time? 



Mr. KRACKE. In the last three or four years. Do you want me to 

 go back further? 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. You say three or four years? 



Mr. KRACKE. Yes, sir. 



Mr. JELKE. And yet the sale of oleomargarine is not stopped in New 

 York ! Does not that show that the people want it? 



Mr. KRACKE. No; I rather think it shows the people do not want it. 

 The people do not want it; the consumer does not want it. 



Mr. KNIGHT. It shows that the grocer wants it. 



Mr. JELKE. Mr. Kracke speaks for New York only. 



Mr. KRACKE. There is one other point to which I want briefly to 

 call attention, and that is the fact that there appeared before this com- 

 mittee last week a man from New York who stated that he was a com- 

 mission merchant and a dealer in butter. In making his statement he 

 took up an interview of mine in a New York paper and attempted to 

 distort it so as to have me say something that I did not say. I refer to 

 Mr. Lestrade, who came here and made a statement before the committee. 

 I wish now to ask the committee if Mr. Lestrade told the committee 

 that he was an oleomargarine manufacturer? 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I do not know, Mr. Kracke, what the record 

 shows in that respect. It is all printed wherever it may be. 



Mr. KRACKE. Mr. Lestrade is a member of this mercantile exchange 

 of New York, which is composed of 500 or GOO commission merchants, 

 dealers in butter, who passed a unanimous resolution favoring this bill. 

 Then he came here representing himself to be (as he is) a merchant in 

 New York City, a dealer in butter there. I would not have made this 

 reference, however, if it had not been for the fact that he attempted to 

 distort a statement of mine so as to construe it as favorable to his side 

 of the case. For that reason I raised this question. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Mr. Knight, you may read the statement 

 referred to, if you find it. 



Mr. KNIGHT (after examining printed report of hearings). It has not 

 been printed yet. 



Mr. KRACKE. I have not anything further to say, gentlemen. I 

 simply wanted to call attention to that matter. 



