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Mr. SCHELL. If the gentleman will permit me a question. Your laws 

 in New York are considered as being practically enforced, are they not? 



Mr. KRACKE. I think they are. 



Mr. SCHELL. Then your State laws are capable of enforcement, if 

 they get competent men like yourself and Mr. Flanders to enforce them? 



Mr. KRACKE. I think they are. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Mr. Kracke, about what does the State of New York 

 expend per year in the enforcement of those laws? 



Mr. KRACKE. Particularly for this line of work about $140,000 a year. 



Mr. KNIGHT. And how many men are required to cover the State? 



Mr. KRACKE. Sixty-odd men. 



Mr. KNIGHT. And how long has it taken you to organize this depart- 

 ment up to its present efficiency? 



Mr. KRACKE. Seventeen years. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. You say you expend $140,000 yearly in this line 

 of work. Do you mean particularly adulterations of butter? 



Mr. KRACKE. No; dairy products. We have other branches in our 

 work, too. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Precisely. How much of that sum, in your judg- 

 ment, is used in the prosecution of persons selling oleomargarine as 

 butter? 



Mr. KRACKE. Well, I could not tell you that, particularly. There is 

 one thing that I will say, and that is that there is very little oleomar- 

 garine found in New York outside of the city of New York. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Then, so far as New York is concerned, its citi- 

 zens are not deeply interested in this bill? Their own State laws are 

 quite sufficient for their protection? 



Mr. KRACKE. Well, no ; because that would be selfish. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Well, they have a right to be selfish. 



Mr. KRACKE. But they are not selfish. A man coming from New 

 York would not be selfish. [Laughter.] 



Mr. KNIGHT. Mr. Kracke, about what proportion of the time of your 

 department, in your district, is devoted to the oleomargarine question ? 



Mr. KRACKE. More than two-thirds of the time. 



Mr. MILLER. How much butter is sold in the State of New York in 

 a year? 



Mr. KRACKE. I can best answer that by referring you to the report 

 given by the Treasury Department, which stated that last year there 

 were a little over 200,000 pounds sold there. 



Mr. KNIGHT. But, Mr. Kracke, that does not include the amount 

 that may be brought over from New Jersey in these wagons of which 

 you speak. 



Mr. KRACKE. Well, of course I have no knowledge or record of what 

 is brought over. There is some brought over. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Have you ever had any trouble, Mr. Kracke, with any 

 Providence concern shipping stuff in through Jersey City? 



Mr. KRACKE. Well, there was trouble with this particular one 

 Lestrade Brothers. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Well, are there any others? Have you ever had any 

 trouble with any other Providence concern? 



Mr. KRACKE. Not that I know of particularly; and we do not make 

 a specialty of looking up any particular manufacturer. Oleomargarine 

 palmed off in New York is oleomargarine; and we have tried to steer 

 clear of making a bee-line for any particular manufacturer. That is 

 not our province. Oleomargarine, to us, is oleomargarine, and contra- 

 band to the law. 



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