372 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Now, why is it that Illinois and Ohio and Michigan and 

 Pennsylvania, we will say, are compelled to come to New York to find 

 a market for their butter in competition with your New York producers? 



Mr. KRACKE. Why, very likely for the reason that they find no sale 

 for it out there. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Then, as a matter of fact, when a million pounds of 

 oleomargarine are sold in Illinois, displacing a million pounds of butter 

 in the State of Illinois, that amount of butter has to come to the city of 

 Isew York for a market, because it is crowded out at home, and, so far 

 as the farmer is concerned, in the question of supply and demand, it 

 might as well be oleomargarine ? 



Mr. KRACKE. As a matter of equalization, it affects the farmer of 

 New York as well as it does the farmer of Illinois. 



Mr. KNIGHT. And as a matter of fact the State laws of New York, 

 which you are paying $140,000 a year to enforce, are 1)0 per cent of pro- 

 tection to other States where they are 10 per cent of protection to New 

 York. Is not that true ? 



Mr. KRACKE. Well, that is largely true. 



Mr. SCHELL. I want to call the attention of the Chair, however, in 

 answer to the suggestion a little while ago that these things could be 

 boiled down to one or two propositions, to the fact that these statistics 

 are in regard to the competition of oleomargarine and butter, and not 

 in regard to any fraud whatever in the case. We are getting out of 

 the question of fraud. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Yes; I see that. Of course your time is 

 limited to to-day and to-morrow; but it' you see fit to fritter it away 



Mr. SCHELL. You must remember that these are the friends of the 

 bill frittering away our time. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Oh, no ; this is not your time. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Not until half past 2 o'clock. 



Mr. KRACKE. In was only for that reason that I went on because 

 it was nobody's time just lunch time. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. You will understand that this evidence is 

 all printed and read over. From time to time everything that occurs 

 here comes out in this pamphlet form, and then is printed in book form. 

 After it is printed, it is read over thoroughly and carefully by each 

 member of the committee; and then the committee comes together 

 and determines what to do. So if members are not here to hear you, 

 they will hear you by reading your evidence. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Was it intended, Senator, that any other of the dairy 

 representatives should take this time at noon? Are you willing to 

 stay? 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. You can go on and take this time until 

 half past 2. I think, however, that we had possibly better take au 

 adjournment of five or ten minutes, after a while, for some lunch. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Mr. Dillon, editor of the Eural New Yorker, is here 

 from New York, and would like to say a few words in behalf of the 

 farmers. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. You can select your own order of pre- 

 senting your speakers. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Then I will introduce Mr. J. J. Dillon, editor of the 

 Bural New Yorker. 



