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the remarks of the gentleman this morning, I think he should be given 

 an opportunity to be heard. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Is there any objection to that, gentlemen? 



Senator HANSBROUGH. Why, Mr. Chairman, if we are going into 

 matters of that kind, there have been accusations made here which 

 would bring a hundred people to this Capitol in order to present the 

 other side of these matters and dispute accusations which have been 

 made. I think Mr. Coyne's telegram states everything that he can say. 



Senator DOLLIVER. I believe that his settlement should be with the 

 Treasury Department rather than with us, anyhow. 



Senator MONEY. The point is just this: You are asking for testi- 

 mony upon certain points which seem to be considered important by 

 some people. I do not consider them so. They are of no importance 

 whatever to me. One side of this matter, however, has been heard. 

 The question now is, Are you willing to hear the other side or not? 

 Are you willing to hear rebuttal? 



Senator DOLLIVER. Senator, no reference was made to Mr. Coyne, 

 as I understand it, until the gentleman who had a telegram from him 

 here to-day read it, disparaging the statements made by the witness 

 and the witness himself; whereupon he replied. I cautioned him against 

 continuing the personal controversy. I think it would be an endless 

 matter if we allowed it to continue. 



Senator MONEY. If the committee does not want to hear him, if it 

 wants to prevent his being heard by a vote of the majority, that is all 

 right. But I want to ask the committee if it will not instruct the 

 stenographer to send the remarks of Mr. Knight by mail this evening 

 to Chicago to Mr. Coyne, and ask him to make a reply, to be submitted 

 as part of the evidence? Nobody is under oath here. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I suppose he could send a resume of Mr. 

 Knight's statement. Mr. Knight, however, has been talking here for 

 two or three days. He could hardly transcribe his notes of his entire 

 remarks in time to do what you suggest. I suppose the clerk could 

 send a resume of what has been said this morning. 



Senator M ONE Y. I only mean that part where he referred to Mr. 

 Coyne this morning. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Mr. Chairman, may I make a suggestion? Inasmuch 

 as they seem to want some specific instance of where they have been 

 oifered evidence and have refused to present it, I will state that the 

 case of M. A. Wright (I think that is the name) is a matter of the kind. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. The case involving the two tubs of butter? 



Mr. KNIGHT. Yes ; I will give you the name, so that you can have it. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. That is a part of what you said about Mr. 

 Coyne? 



Mr. KNIGHT. Yes ; that is specific. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Then, Mr. Reporter, the extract from the 

 proceedings to be sent to Mr. Coyne will embrace this precise state- 

 ment about these two tubs of butter, as you have it there. 



Mr. KNIGHT. No ; I beg your pardon. That is the wrong case. The 

 case about which I have been speaking here to-day is not the case we 

 carried to the Supreme Court; it was another case. We have had so 

 many of those cases that it is difficult for me to remember them all. I 

 can look it up. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. But it is the one that embraces these two 

 tubs of oleomargarine you speak of? 



Mr. KNIGHT. Yes, sir; that was a clear violation of the law. 



