502 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Senator MONEY. I do not doubt that every law which was ever passed 

 is violated every day by somebody. But when a specific charge is 

 made against a man charged officially with collecting revenue, to the 

 effect that he does not enforce the law at all, I think he ought to be 

 given an opportunity to be heard in self-defense. If the committee 

 does not want him to come here then I think the charge that is made 

 against him ought to be sent to him at once, and, as it is not a very 

 lengthy one, I suggest that it be telegraphed to him under the frank of 

 the Senate. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Then, if that is to be done, I ought to give full details 

 here, so that there will be no misunderstanding. 



Senator HANSBROUGH. Senator Money, I observe by the telegram 

 sent by Mr. Coyne that he says that he has "long since ceased to pay 

 any attention" to what Mr. Knight says. Do you think he would 

 respond to a message of the kind you propose sending? 



Senator MONEY. That is not the point at all. I want to hear what 

 he has to say. I do not care whether he wants to come or not. 



Senator DOLLIVER. Do you regard it as material here, or merely as 

 a matter of justice to him? 



Senator MONEY. No ; 1 regard it as somewhat material to the case 

 here. A charge is made here that this stuff is sold all over the city of 

 Chicago, and that the revenue officials do nothing at all about it, and 

 will not bring the cases before the judges, because they can make more 

 money out of them in fees, 



Mr. KNIGHT. Why, gentlemen, I could bring you 50 witnesses who 

 have taken cases of violations of the law to him 



Senator MONEY. I simply want this man to have a chance. He may 

 or may not be an honest official. I do not know anything about him. 

 I never heard of him before, personally. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. It seems to me this is altogether a collat- 

 eral issue. 



Senator MONEY. It makes no difference whether it is or not. It is 

 an important issue. 



Senator HANSBROUGH. I understand the committee has decided to 

 send this charge to him. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Certainly; the reporter will do that. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Now, Mr. Chairman, if this matter is to be taken up 

 specifically, if you are going into it, I should give you the exact details 

 of the affair, so that Mr. Coyne will understand what I mean. 



Mr. ADAMS. Mr. Chairman, with the consent of the committee and 

 of Mr. Knight I would like to make a suggestion with reference to this 

 matter of the internal-revenue collector of Chicago. It may not meet 

 with Mr. Knight's approval, and it may be presumptuous in me to sug- 

 gest it to this committee; but with consent, I would like to do it. It 

 seems to me to be a reasonable solution of this matter. Have I the 

 consent of the committee? 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Go ahead. 



Senator HANSBROUGH. What is the suggestion? 



Mr. ADAMS. I will give it. 



Senator Money, in the course of the witness's testimony, calls upon 

 him for explicit evidence as to violations of the law. In the course of 

 his general answer to that question, properly made, properly answered, 

 a gentleman here representing the oleomargarine interests introduces 

 a telegram, as the Senator has indicated, criticizing Mr. Knight, sub- 

 stantially; and in self-defense he makes reply, and brings out a state- 

 ment of facts of the correctness of which he is no doubt thoroughly 

 convinced. 



