560 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Mr. KNIGHT. No; I say caul fat. He does not say caul fat. He has 

 some figures there giving the amouut of oleo oil made from those ani- 

 mals at 28.1 pounds. Now, if you can get 28.1 pounds of oleo oil direct 

 from the animal, from 5,000,000 animals you ;ire getting 140,000,000 

 pounds. But we have records of 106,000, 00 / pounds which are used. 

 Now, where does it come from? 



Mr. SCHELL. Well, we are willing to have the matter investigated. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Oh, rather than have it investigated, I will cut out the 

 whole thing, on account of time. 1 do not propose to put in anything 

 here that is going to continue these hearings. 



Senator MONEY. You are entirely willing to conclude the hearings, 

 provided you have the last word? 



Mr. KNIGHT. Oh, no. 



Senator MONEY. Whenever anybody has made a speech on the other 

 side you have come in here with a whole lot of fresh matter. That is 

 what you have been doing all the time. After it has been announced 

 that your side has closed, and the majority of the committee has voted 

 to close the hearings, and every time anybody else said anything, you 

 came out here with a lot of new matter; and then you want the pro- 

 ceedings closed. 



Mr. KNIHGT. Oh, no. 



Senator MONEY. That is a fact; that is the record of the committee. 

 Now, I have not the slightest objection to hearing everything you have 

 to say. You have brought out some very interesting matter there. 

 But, still, it is a fact that you happen to be here, and you take the floor 

 and bring out a lot of new things and then propose to shut down on 

 the investigation. 



Mr. KNIGHT. No; I made the statement before the committee that 

 if what I said was to prolong the hearings, I would shut off right 

 away. 



Senator MONEY. You never shut off as long as anybody says any- 

 thing on the other side; I have noticed that. Now, you can give us all 

 the information you have. I am willing to stay here and listen to you 

 for a week ; but 



Mr. KNIGHT. Well, Senator, will you put to the committee the sug- 

 gestion that I made regarding the condensation or the briefing of this 

 testimony? 



Senator ALLEN. I think the committee will take up this matter and 

 edit it. I have no doubt the chairman will attend to that. 



Senator MONEY. As Senator Allen very truthfully said, an immense 

 amount of what has been said here is merely cumulative evidence. The 

 same things have been stated over and over again by the people on 

 both sides. 



Mr. KNIGHT. I suggested, Senator Proctor, that we should take up 

 on our side the testimony which has been submitted, and point out our 

 strong points. My suggestion was that we should make it in the shape 

 of an index rather than a brief, and not make an argument at all, but 

 simply call attention to the facts which we claimed to have proven. 

 It was my idea to state the different points we made, and under those 

 heads to group the statements of the people who have appeared here 

 and addressed your committee. 



The CHAIRMAN. That would facilitate matters very much indeed, I 

 think. 



[After informal discussion it was agreed, and so announced by the 

 chairman, that after the printing of the testimony both sides would be 

 expected, within a reasonable time, to brief the case according to their 



