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ing the brick, I could, without melting it, put a few drops of color in it 

 right here in this room and produce just that same thing there. 



Mr. GROUT. Diffusing the color throughout the whole mass? 



Mr. JELKE. Yes; by taking a ladle and working it. 



Mr. GROUT. Well, the ways of this craft, gentlemen, are past find- 

 ing out. 



Mr. MILLER. Speaking of the use of butterine by hotels, is it not a 

 fact tbat the contention of your side has been right along that there 

 was fraud by the retail dealers ? 



Mr. GROUT. Yes, sir. 



Mr. MILLER. And is it not a fact that you claim all the fraud has 

 been practiced by the retail dealers? You say two-thirds of the but- 

 terine sold goes to hotels. 



Mr. GROUT. I say that I am not sure it is two-thirds, but it is a very 

 large proportion. 1 did not say it went into the hotels, but the claim 

 was that a large portion of it went to purchasers who knew just what 

 it was. The hotel man knows just what it is. The restaurant man 

 knows just what it is. The lumberman and the mine man know just 

 what it is, and so on. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Mr. Chairman, just one suggestion on the police 

 regulations of the States. Most all of these States which have oleo- 

 margarine legislation and the anticolor law have also the police regu- 

 lation that boarding-house keepers, hotel keepers, and restaurant 

 keepers shall give notice to the guests of those places that they are 

 using oleomargarine, if they are using it, under severe penalties if they 

 do not do that. That is one of the easiest regulations to maintain in 

 the States, as the dairy bureaus have often told me, because any of 

 their men may go to any of those places where it is suspected that 

 oleomargarine is used and call for a dinner, and after his oleomargarine 

 is served to him, he takes a sample out and analyzes it, and he has the 

 man caught, unless he has been personally notified to that effect. So 

 that any fraud that exists, or might exist, on the part of the hotel pro- 

 prietor or restaurant keeper or boarding-house keeper can be, and is, 

 provided for, and this bill would be of no assistance to the States in 

 enforcing that legislation. They have ample protection in that line. 



Now, gentlemen, just one word in reply to Mr. Grout's statement. 

 He says the larger part of this oleomargarine is worked off in hotels, 

 etc. His statement with reference to that has no better foundation 

 than the statement with reference to some other things. His means of 

 information are not any better than mine, and I do not believe they 

 are as good, because he has not given as much attention to it as I have. 

 The greater part of the oleomargarine that is sold in this country is sold 

 to men who use it in their families, and who buy it for what it is; and 

 fraud does not exist to the extent he claims it exists with reference to 

 the hotel keepers, restaurant keepers, and boarding-house keepers, and 

 if it did, then the police regulations of the States concerning such places 

 are amply sufficient to protect that matter. 



Senator FOSTER. You say they buy it because they want it? 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Yes, sir. 



Senator FOSTER. What effect would it have if it was uncolored? 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. They would not have it at all. 



Senator FOSTER. That is the same old question. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. The same old question that has been discussed so 

 often. 



Mr. SCHELL. Just one question. I presented here a list of 1,083 con- 

 sumers who buy direct from one of my factories. We also all of us 



