806 OLEOMARGARINE. 



Representative COONEY. He is given all of the value of all parts of 

 his steer, then? 



Mr. LAVERY. Yes, sir; in the purchase price. 



Eepresentative WILLIAMS. You mean that renders him able to offer 

 that much more? 



Mr. LA VERY. That is exactly it. 



Representative WILLIAMS. As a matter of fact, however, the actual 

 price arrived at in selling a steer, like anything else, is a matter of 

 bartering and huckstering in the market? 



Mr. LA VERY. That is the idea; yes, sir. 



Eepresentative COONEY. That is a very different thing. I want to 

 know who gets this $2 which Mr. Lavery is talking about. He says it 

 is the stockman who gets it. It could not be a matter of huckstering 

 and bartering, then, it' the farmer gets it. 



Representative HAUGEN. I would like to continue the questions 

 which have been asked you. You claim that the manufacture of this 

 product makes $2 of difference per head of cattle? 



Mr. LAVERY. Yes, sir. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. On what ground do you base your claims! 

 What is the number of cattle slaughtered, according to the Govern- 

 ment reports or estimates which you have? 



Mr. LAVERY. In the United States? 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. Yes, sir. 



Mr. LA VERY. I have not those figures at hand. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. 1 think it is about 5,000,000 head, is it 

 not? According to the Agricultural Department report, it is 4,654,000. 



Mr. LAVERY. I only have the figures for the Kansas City markets. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. According to the reports, there were 

 24,491,709 pounds of this oleo oil consumed. 



Mr. LAVERY. Yes, sir ; here in this country. . 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. In manufacture! 



Mr. LAVERY. Yes, sir. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. That would amount to less than 5 pounds 

 to each head of cattle, would it not? 



Mr. LAVERY. Well, you understand that, as I stated a while ago 



Representative HAUGEN. I am referring now to whatever this bill 

 refers to. It has nothing to do with the oleomargarine shipped abroad. 

 This bill does not affect the exports; it refers to what is consumed here 

 at home, or what is colored. Now, this would amount to less than 5 

 pounds to a head, would it not? 



Mr. LAVERY. I have not figured that out. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. Well, it is necessary, in view of the state- 

 ments and assertions that you have made, to figure it out in dollars 

 and cents, and in pounds. 



Mr. LAVERY. Yes, sir. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. Now, then, if there are 24,000,000 pounds 

 used or consumed, and 5,000,000 head of cattle slaughtered, that is less 

 than 5 pounds to each head of cattle killed? 



Mr. LAVERY. Y^es, sir. 



Eepresentative HAUGEN. You stated a while ago that there was a 

 difference of 4 cents a pound between the prices paid for this fat for 

 the purposes of tallow and oleo oil. Now, then, 5 pounds of fat at 

 4 cents per pound is 20 cents, or less than 20 cents lor each head of 

 cattle killed, according to your own statement, is it not? 



Mr. LAVERY. Well, taking only the amount of oleo oil consumed in 

 this country, it would probably be that much less than $2. I consider 

 that this bill would affect more than our own country. 



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