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UY.\I. (MM MISSION. ON AGR1CULTI UK. 



, 1919.] 



SIR It KHAKI. WINFREY, M.P. 



[Continued. 



8986. What would the othn ih... acres be- II. 

 grated that for his cons. 



8387. Have you any estimate of what he would 

 make out of the three a-res of grass land? 



I got these figures from him 1 wrote him asking il h. 

 would lot me Know the value of the luiit.-r. egg-- :in<] 

 poultry. 



8388. That is on iho whole farm? Yes. I asked 

 him to let me have it by yesterday morning. hut I 

 have not got it, the reason being tint these men do 

 not like to give you too many particulars, hut I know 

 they have done remarkably well out of their I 

 eggs, and poultry. 



8389. It was the yield of the land that I wan ratlin 

 referring tor The three acres. 



8390. Yes. Do you think he would make as much 

 out of it as out of the hay?- No, 1 do nut think so. 



8291. You have got down the profit on the acre of 

 hay as 7 3s. 4<1. ; fur the three acres that brings it 

 to 22 10s. P Yes, but that is at consuming value; 

 if he wore to sell it in the open market he would 

 make a little more on it. 



8292. What do you put the grass land at .- I 

 understand you have to pay 10 for a ton of hav 

 to-day. 



8293. Taking it as the consuming value it i 



10s. for the throe acres of hay ; how much do you 

 estimate ho would make out of the three acres of 

 grass? I really could not say, but I should think 

 with butter at 2s. 6d. a Ib. he has done remarkably 

 well. 



8294. I understand that in these figures in regard 

 to every operation he has performed he has climbed 

 his own manual labour at 7s. a day? Yes, and his 

 wife's at 5s. 



8295. But he has not put in any overtime? No, 

 he lias not charged any overtime. 



8296. You said ho had one daughter? Yes. 



8297. There is nothing allowed for her time :- -Yes, 

 he has put down the time of them as wife or as 

 daughter. 



8298. Do they work regularly all the tin,.':" -No; 

 they do not go out every day, of course ; they only 

 go out when there is work to do. 



8299. If the man himself gets 7s. a <lav. two guineas 

 a week, that is about 110 a year? Yes. 



S300. Then there is his wife at 6s. a day and the 

 daughter? They do not go and work on the land 

 365 days in the year. 



8301. No, but they are working more or less all 

 the time? Yes, but if you take in all the work you 

 must bring in also the value of their dairying and 

 so on. 



8303. Yes, I agree. The only point I am on is that 

 these receipts are rather extraordinary and I think 

 they must be wrong? I think not. 



8303. How many days would the wife work in the 

 week Her wages would be 30s. a week taking it ns 

 a full week?_She does not go out on the land the 

 whole of the year. 



8304. No. Assume she is employed half tho year 

 then there is the daughter, I suppose she is kept 

 pretty well at work all day? Yes. 



8305. They do not pay them much, but th. v work 

 them hard on those smallholdings? That is ro but il 

 is a very satisfactory life. 



1. I agree. Supposing you put tho daughter 



40 a year and the wife at 40 that is !!* a 



Ton Irnvo worked out the profit on tl.i, I,iu- 



whire holding on potatoes 14 IS*. Id. th- first 



t. 4d. the second year on the wlie.it and the 



oat crop is not worked out. but 1 under- 



/M" ^? U 4 t th t Mme M tho 8e< - < "" 1 v-nr, the 



ieat, 4. That makes a total of 22 13s. 8,1 for 



e acres making nn average per acre of 7 11s. 2d. 



.U""-/'; ! ' f '- v lli!it , liy i h l8 ncre tii!it '<* to 



. Then if NO,, take th, H.reo acres of grass land 

 for hay at consuming value- that is C22 10s. and 







178 1 , ma ' 



10i. They are, therein, e. getting a proflt 

 " f lam '" f '"" "" "' 



,9oth ""' ' 



they have received for their labour, that is 

 without overtime ?-Th*t is not all profit. 



8307. They have pot paid for their labour: 

 are now r. ckoning the vital income of t'.is family. 



8308. Yes? You ha\e to >tart putting down their 

 outgoings before you talk about pi.. 



8309. The profit is 17- liv over and above their 

 labour? You aro taking the' total in, on 



the family the total profit on the land plus their 

 labour. 



8310. The total income com, s to 308? Yes, but 

 tie r. t of living three of them. 



L Their wages would (over that. Take it that 

 they spend up to the i hey Inn 



out of the farm as the ordinary agricultural labour, r 

 doos, what I suggest to you is that out of this L'l 

 acres of land it is a money yield which cannot he 

 done when you work it out as I haNe don,-, and 

 ih, re must be some tlaw in these figures:- \\ |, 

 the Haw? 



>:i!2. Do any of your tenants pay income ta- 

 Yes, some of thorn are now getting their papers 

 for the first t'ime, and I am verv glad th \ ;u. 



-'tin. Tako the Norfolk figures! I understand th. 

 figures again are in respect of a farm of L'l : 

 I said I was not quite sure as to the a- 

 have made a note to got tho actual an a. 



8314. Is this illustration of the yield given by 

 the Swaffham smallholding a typical one as regard's 

 the yield in the other cases, or is it picked out as 

 being specially good or specially had: Specially 

 good. 1 look upon him as being above the a\ 



on that farm; 1 always have d, 



8315. If you turn to tho last page this is on the 

 four-course system the average profit works out 

 at 6 4s. 4d. per acre? Yes; that has to be a little 

 modified. 



*-'IG. That has to be added in: No, it has not 

 to be addod to, has it? 



8317. There is one item that ought to ! 2 !>s. !M. 

 instead of 1 7s. 7d. ? Against that there is the 

 getting of tho second crop of hay. 



8318. I agree it is subject to correction as the nsiilt 

 of the previous questions you have answered, but 

 taking your original fignrw NOU must add on ., 

 fourth of 1 2s., that makes 6 10s. an acre. If 

 you multiply that by tho 24 acres again you 

 profit of 156 over and above the w. 



tho family. Can you tell me of what the famil 

 sisted at this tiiiier- Thi.i man is an clderlv man 

 and his sons nre all out. 



831 9. He is working the smallholding' himself :-- 

 Yes, and his wife is getting on in years and she 

 novcr goes out. 



ai20. Who does the work on tho holding? He 

 works himself and hires a labourer. Ho dors hi- 

 ov n milking and all that. 



S.T.'l. Do I understand that his labour is charged 

 for- ies, he has charged for his own labour, but 

 what amount of this represent; his own labour I 

 ! not say. This man I should think is 68. 



8322. Their standard of living is about the same 

 as that of the ordinary agricultural worker, is itf 

 --No it is better than that. This man in Lincoln- 

 ill iro has an eight-roomed houso, a parlour, a nice 

 mug room, a kitchen and a rwj nn ,- ,|an-N and four 

 bedrooms. I had toa with them and i-vei-N thing is 



charmingly appointed. Th, standard of liiv is much 

 higher than that of tho Norfolk labourer. Thev do 

 .iv.. margarine for tea. Wo had nice cream and 

 marmalade and all sorts of things for tea 



m. Does that apply to ,!, Swallham smallholders 



Uxj?-I have also had meals at tho Swnffham small. 



bolder; place. The only complaint I have ,s that 



nfo cannot make a Norfolk dumpling. It is too 



8324. Out of this smallholding, in addition to the 

 wages .. the frm. ,1,,-v also- have a profit 



T<M say a profit, but they have to charge 

 all their living expense., against it. 



That goes agairiM the amount thev r, - 

 for the,, labour?-! wish my profit* came out liko 



I licit . 



8326 They have got their rent free and a B 



part of their food and tho rates and , 

 II charged before this profit is arrived 'at? They 

 ave tho ordinary living expenses that a farmer 



would have, say, 3 a week. 



