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9875. Survly it cannot be anything but a commercial 

 proposition if vou are able t extract 70 per cent, of 

 par* poUnh from rubbiili heap? The plant, Ac., 

 u an expensive thing. If the price- of potash fell 

 morh below th prmont price, it might not be a com- 

 mercial proposition. 



9376. You agree that there is n probability of in- 

 rroaning the production of potash by a more scientific 

 ntiliiation of some of the waste product*? 

 Undoubtedly. 



9377. I understood you to gay, in answer to Dr. 

 Douglas, that the Government was paying higher 

 freight* in order to get supplies of superphosphate? 

 No. not the Government ; the Fertiliser Manufac- 

 turers' Association. The Government is not now 

 importing phosphate rork. 



9878. At any rate, that higher freights are being 

 paid, which will mean higher costs ? Higher shipping 

 charges. 



;i:l7!>. Which must mean higher costs for the article 

 itself on the market I' YM. 



038(1. I l.i- the possibility of organising a national 

 hipping service to get this stuff over, so that they 

 "ill not have to pay these high competitive freight*. 

 c\ei I., en lon-id.-r' d The suggestion ha* of ten l-en 

 made that the Govern ..... nt .should do BO. 



93SI. A suggestion has been made? Yes. 



9382. It seems rather regrettable that the price 

 should have to go up when a little organisation might 

 get them over nt n cheajx-r rater It i- a on. 

 which is bound up with the whole question of snipping 

 control. 



(The Witneu withdrew.) 



MR. I.. N. GnoniNO, Norfolk Chamlu-r of Agriculture and Fanners' Federation. Ltd.. 



recalled and further examined. 



9383. Chairman: You have been kind enough to 

 give us, as you promised, certain additional evidence- 

 in-rhief containing information which the Com- 

 mission desires, and further than that, certain infor- 

 mation which you thought might be useful ? Yes. 



9384. That is embodied in the paper to he printed 

 as an Appendix,* which vou describe as your addi- 

 tional evidence-in-chief '' Yes. 



9386. May I take that as put in? Yes. 



9387. 3/r. Green : I have not had much oppor- 

 tunity of studying your accounts, I am sorry to say, 

 but I am sure my colleagues will ask you many 

 questions which I cannot think of for the moment. 

 In your Summary of Profits for " A " farm you show 

 an average profit made for 10 years of 360 a \ 



Yes. 



9388. In spite of the loss which occurred in three 

 years amounting to 895? Yes. 



9389. In your other farm accounts you allow for 

 income tax deductions. Take farm " B," for 

 instance? Yea. 



9390. Do you think you are justified in deducting 

 the income tax? I have taken the income tax off 

 because I thought I was not allowed to charge it as 

 an expense to the farm, and it had been charged in 

 the farm accounts. 



9391. You did not deduct it in the case of " A "? 

 In the case of "A" it is taken out; it is not 

 included in the accounts. In farm " A " it is a 

 receipt and payment account and in the other case 

 it is a profit and loss account. 



9392. It is schedule " D " in .the other case, is it? 

 It is the same in all the other farms. 



9893-4. With regard to the capital invented in the 

 farms, vou say. " I estimate that the capital required 

 to work this farm to-day is not less than 10,000. 

 interest on which at 6 per cent, is 500 per 

 annum "? Ye. 



' 9396. Is that 10.000 the original capital put into 

 the farm or is it the estimated capital at the inflated 

 prices at present prevailing? It is the estimated 

 capital that would lie ri-<|iiirod to take the farm over 

 at the prices prevailing to day. 



9398. That is quite a different thing from the 

 actual rapjtal put into the farm?--Yi-s. 



9307. On page 10 you gay the cash result of growing 

 on* acre of wheat, barley and oats on ench class of 

 land Knows a loss of 3 18s. in the rase of wheat . 

 a profit of 1 6s. 9Jd. in the case of barley, and a 

 low of 9. 7Jd. in the case of oats? Yet. 



' fb Apprndii No. I. (All latweqnrnt rtfrrmw* in thr 

 qmtinn. an to Ui. Appndii .ml,.. oth-rwu. iutc<i.) 



9398. During how many years is that? That is 

 really a summary of the estimated cost of growing 

 wheat and the other crops this year. 



9399. I imagine a large wheat and oats grow.-i 

 would be making a very considerable loss on those 

 figures? Yes, unless he made more than the (Jovern- 

 nient guaranteed price. 



9400. Of course, they are making more than the 

 Government guaranteed price? Just at tho present. 



yes. 



9401. How is a farmer. <>n results such as those, 

 going to carry on his farm and make both ends i 



They only grow a small proportion of wheat on 

 must latins, and the profits made to-day are more on 

 In- stock than on corn, I should si\ 



9402. You admit that a profit is being mad' 

 live stock? To a certain extent, but theiv are other 

 things on which farmers make a profit. A farmer 

 may grow a field of seed and make a profit on that. 

 There are several side lines on a farm where a farmer 

 may possibly make a profit. Although lie is making 

 a loss on his corn, he may make it up on something 



IM. 



9403. What do you mean by side lines? An unusual 

 crop a crop of mustard seed or a crop of clover seed, 

 for instance although I .should think this present 

 year the farmer.'- in Norfolk will have a difficulty 

 in making both ends meet ; there is every appearance 

 at the present time of his making no profit at all in 

 a good many 



!MiM. The land in your district is by a long way 

 tin' worst land in Norfolk, is it not? No, I should 

 not ' ;ill it the worst; it is light land, of course. 



;MO.~>. Mr. Thamai Ilcntli r.ioit : Taking these f: 

 on pa^e 10, " The cash results of grou ing an a. 

 wheat, liarlcy and oat.s " : do you include Income !.<\ 

 in the cost of production there? I have put nothing 

 down for Income Tax in those figures. 



'.MOii. I s,>e in your 1'ayments account you Inn 

 eluded tithe rates and taxcv. including Income 

 in the ca"e of farm " A." Is Unit ri^ht : does that 

 include Income 'lax: 1 have taken out the Income 

 Tax in farm "A." The Make there in the 



printing; it should 1> "excluding Income 



9407. Mr. 1'rouer Jonet: Is that your own fun 

 A " is- the one I manage for Mr. " X." 



The farm referred to on page I 'I- \ 



9409. Do you tell the Commission that the hanking 



account of the farmer corresponds with the figures 



you have given here? Oh! yes; the-, an- actual 



figures; these accounts havo nil he<>n .indited, and I 



ntee them to he correct. 



H410. That means that the actual financial position 

 of the farmer is as shown in these fi^im-: Yes, UK 

 far as that particular farm is concerned .Mr 



