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works. What is the general effect ? In Prof. Hoxie's book the weight 

 of evidence is against Mr. Renold in this respect. I understand the 

 investigation (of which the book is a report) was conducted by an 

 impartial investigator, assisted by a Scientific Management expert 

 and a nominee of the American Federation of Labour but it is im- 

 possible to go into the points raised in it here. I think Mr. Cole's 

 advice excellent, that all trade unionists should study this important 

 question of Scientific Management it is something we ought to know 

 more about ; and in this respect Labour is likely to be caught napping. 



MR. A. C. MABBS (Coventry Trades Council) : Scientific Management 

 should be discussed at the present time, because we have to face the 

 question of increased production. After the war the advocates of the 

 system will be first in the field, with a good prospect of catching the 

 worker unawares. I think Ruskin College is to be congratulated on 

 getting an employer to come to the conference, and if Scientific Manage- 

 ment is carried out by him in his works in the spirit expressed here, 

 the effects will be much less harmful than in many other places. We 

 do not get a greater production at the present time because of the 

 antagonism between employer and employee, and Scientific Manage- 

 ment will be likely to increase this. Great as has been the increase 

 in production since the beginning of the war, it is nothing to what 

 could be done if the antagonism could be eliminated. You cannot do 

 this by Scientific Management or anything of that kind. We must get 

 hold of industry, so that everyone becomes a part of the management 

 it must be made to the interest of all to produce more than they were 

 producing before. Get that, and the present difficulties will melt 

 away in a very rapid way. This is the only possible cure. The most 

 advanced section of the workers are out for control all the way down, 

 and particularly control in the workshop get it, and everybody will 

 be looking out to. save labour, and therefore we shall have better 

 results. 



MR. ALD. W. WHEATLEY, J.P. (Huddersfield Trades Council) : 

 According to my conception Scientific Management based on human 

 understanding should be taken from the point of view of living, not of 

 profit. Instead of all this deep research and inquiry how human beings 

 could be made to produce more, we should organise things in order 

 to make more of life, and not for simply producing something many 

 of us have not lived yet ! We must produce the things required in 

 the most scientific fashion, work as little as possible, and enjoy this 

 world. It is not possible for capital to exist as it is to-day and yet 

 appease the men who are producing wealth. Every man is producing 

 tons and tons more than he consumes, and there is something else to 

 be done besides speeding-up. After working 60 hours a man may not 

 be getting sufficient, but his ' brother ' who employs him is piling up 

 wealth in his ledger from the worker's blood and sinew. We have to 

 learn that it is our human duty to make life beautiful, happy, and 

 contented, and we must work on that basis or none at all. 



