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central and local, but neither women nor men should be elected 

 because of sex, but because of their suitability. In a union with a 

 dual membership, one of the chief dangers to be guarded against is 

 that of the general interest being made subordinate to that of sex. 

 Hence, while I do not disagree with Dr. Phillips when she says " there 

 must also be fuller representation of women by women on the govern- 

 ing bodies of the unions," I urge most strongly that wherever possible 

 women and men shall be elected to responsible positions by the whole 

 membership. 



I heartily agree with Dr. Phillips when she warns us to pay attention 

 to the " agency of welfare work." We all desire satisfactory working 

 conditions. Rest rooms for the men as well as the women, and all 

 the other appurtenances which go to make our working lives more 

 pleasant. But efforts are being made to professionalise welfare work, 

 and the most effective way by which the Trade Unions can counteract 

 this tendency is to pay greater attention to working conditions, and 

 demand to be heard in regard to them. But this opens up the 

 fundamental problem of industrial control which it would not be right 

 to develop on the present occasion. 



MR. STUART BUNNING (Postmen's Federation) : In the Cotton 

 Weavers' Amalgamation the difficulty of wages has been got over, 

 and men and women receive the same rates but the word ' rate ' 

 is very misleading. Men and women do not get the same money 

 even in that industry. Are we to assume that in fixing rates we must 

 have a system of piecework in all occupations ? If we have bodies 

 to assess the suitability of women and men for different classes of work, 

 to fix wages, and so on, we are getting so near to so-called Scientific 

 Management that we shall not know the difference. 



MR. A. G. CARTER (Coventry Trades Council) : The questions which 

 Mr. Newlove says we must settle are women's questions, and they 

 must decide them. The unions must realise that women are going 

 to stop in industry, and if they are wise they will get them into the 

 unions and use their power to get the same standard of wages and 

 conditions for women as for men, and so eliminate undercutting and 

 competition between the sexes. Whether women are to go to work 

 is a question for them to decide. There are large numbers of married 

 women in industry to-day who are there not for economic reasons 

 but for the love of it, and they will stop there. The question should 

 be looked at from a sensible point of view, regarding women not as 

 inferior beings but as equals. 



MR. JESSE ARGYLE (Working Men's Club and Institute Union) : 

 Dr. Phillips referred to the proposal of the W.E.A. for part time attend- 

 ance at school for all children up to 18 ; I believe this is coming, and 

 it would make a great difference in regard to employment for adults, 

 not only in withdrawing children from factories and workshops, but 



