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"I do not consider that this matter of a discussion of the relations 

 between the lumberman and the forester is a delicate subject I am 

 much of the opinion that there has been altogether too much diplomacy 

 and preservation of ethics, and altogether too much of an endeavor upon 

 the part of both sides of this discussion to handle the subject with wool 

 lined and heavy gloves rather than going at the matter with hammer and 

 saw and ax. 



"We have all hedged about this affair with an altogether too nice, and 

 lady-like an attitude to get very far with such a subject. 



"The forester,. being a man of the schools cleverly and fully educated, 

 desiring more to see his formulas worked out and his ethics paramount 

 than could be described by 'money in the till' as measuring the result 

 of work well done, being a man of a profession which never contemplated 

 the amassing of money as denoting success in life, has failed to recognize 

 the very opposite attributes of the lumberman. Of course this is not true 

 of all foresters and neither does it matter whether it is true or not, provid- 

 ing the forester has deported himself in such a surface way as to carry 

 a conviction of this attitude to the mind of the lumberman. 



"I maintain that this is the basic cause for the lumberman's opposition 

 to the forester, whether the forester has been able to see the condition or 

 not. The forester is highly specialized in his grasp of forestry and all it 

 means to him, but he is not highly specialized and has a very extremely 

 marked lack of information as to the effect his attitude naturally must 

 have upon the lumberman. 



"This statement of mine is carefully thought out and deliberately made 

 with no desire to be 'delicate' and with only a desire to 'know the truth' 

 because the Bible says 'the truth shall set ye free' ; and the query I want to 

 make is, 'do we not wish above all things, freedom?' 



"In any reference I make to lumbermen and their attitude toward for- 

 esters, I do not refer to lumbermen as a class, but to the majority of 

 lumbermrn, to the very large and overwhelming majority of lumbermen, 

 for there are many lumbermen, of course, who have butted their way 

 through "ootball wedges and conscientiously worked their way through 

 university courses, whether approaching them from the necessity of 

 doing janitor work to pay for their matriculation or from the 'Gold 

 Coast' of some opulent eastern university, riding to their class rooms in 

 foreign-born runabouts. 



"Now the majority of lumbermen do not lumber out of books, and have 

 a clean cut inherited opinion of the rights of property as set down in 

 the constitution of the United States. His trees belong to him to have 

 and to hold and to cut as he pleases. While it is altogether probable that 

 the great public has something to say about all this thing of 'a national 

 timberland policy for the United States' the majority of lumbermen have 

 not considered the great public as having anything to do with their busi- 

 ness any more than they have an interest in the great public's business 

 and very naturally, resent anybody telling them what they shall do with 

 their trees quite as much as any man would resent public interference with 

 the amount of money he should use for his personal pleasure or what 

 style of car he should drive or where he should bank his money or 

 type of woman fce sboujd choose for Ws wife.. 



