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we have never found a satisfactory substitute for wood and I don't believe 

 we ever will. Wood is a better material for a great many uses than any 

 substitute, but we could get along if we had to, but not otherwise. I think 

 it is very urgent that we take steps now. 



THE CHAIRMAN: The statement has been made that the average 

 man who has any wood-holdings at all has no conception of their value 

 and that people will sell woodlots and wood-holdings without ever stopping 

 to consider their value. Great sums of money are invested in this part of 

 the country in wood-using industries and the supply is steadily growing 

 smaller and certainly under such a plan, it will soon disappear, so it seems 

 to me that the most important thing to be done is to constantly issue this 

 call of danger. People don't understand how important this subject is and 

 it is hard to enlighten them. But if we don't arouse them it will be mighty 

 serious. 



SENATOR GUTHRIE : One of the important questions is how to pro- 

 tect what we already have. This state is a large, rich state, most of which 

 is being farmed. As Mr. Deam told us this morning, we have some small 

 areas of timber and we want to know how to protect them. We still use 

 wood for ties and today we are getting about six times the amount we 

 got for the first ties we sold. We have never found a substitute for ties. 

 In our state the scarcity of timber is getting to be a very serious question. 

 I think that we should protect the young timber in some way and show the 

 people that there is nothing more profitable than raising timber, if it is 

 handled in the right way. 



MR. SEOREST : Colonel Graves, have you anything in mind relative to 

 a timber census of the entire country? 



LT.-COL. GRAVES: I proposed to have an economic survey of the 

 timber resources in connection with the present census. There is a bill at 

 congress now setting aside one hundred thousand dollars for a survey of 

 materials. Of course that would be quite inadequate. 



Senator Guthrie, why wouldn't it be possible for the state of Indiana 

 to adopt a program of acquisition of forests on a much larger scale than 

 heretofore ? 



SENATOR GUTHRIE : That is what we want to do. 



LT.-COL. GRAVES : I feel also that we have got to get forestry to the 

 agricultural man. I judge from the papers given this morning that they 

 haven't appreciated the place of forestry in agriculture. 



Now what are we going to do without wood? What substitute are 

 we going to use? Metals? I don't think so for an instant. 



THE CHAIRMAN : I am advised that it is necessary that we adjourn 

 so they can get this room ready for our banquet tonight. Unless there is 

 some other question or some other matters which ought to be considered 

 at this time, I will entertain a motion for adjournment. 



ADJOURNMENT. 



WEDNESDAY EVENING, BANQUET SESSION 



The .meeting was called to order at 8 :00 p. m., with Mr. Walter Crim, 

 President of the Indiana Hardwood Lumber association, presiding. 



