148 MAJOR JOHN F. LACEY 



only opposition that this bill has really encountered on 

 the floor of the House. I will offer the amendment at the 

 proper time as a substitute for section 5. 



Now, if gentlemen who desired to ask me questions 

 wish to do so, I shall be pleased to answer any question 

 in regard to the bill. I hope to see it pass without a dis- 

 senting vote. 



Me. Gaines. Will the gentleman from Iowa allow me 

 to ask him a question? 



Mb. Lacey. Certainly. 



Mr. Gaines. Are not the birds, I would ask my friend 

 from Iowa, being exterminated largely by the prize shoot- 

 ers? 



Mr. Lacey. I think not to any considerable extent. 

 These men who do prize shooting are, as a rule, in the 

 habit of using clay pigeons. The birds we are trying to 

 protect are rarely used for such purposes. Domestic 

 pigeons are used for that purpose and also clay pigeons 

 or glass balls. 



Mr. Robinson of Indiana. I desire to say to the gen- 

 tleman from Iowa, while I have not read the bill very 

 carefully, that I think it comes very close to producing 

 a conflict between the states, over their jurisdiction in 

 these matters, and the federal government. I ask the 

 gentleman if that is not true? 



Mr. Lacey. Not at all. 



Mr. Robinson of Indiana. I also should like to have 

 an explanation of that to see how the gentleman's in- 

 genuity has gotten around that difficulty. 



Mr. Lacey. There is no difficulty whatever. The au- 

 thority of the national government begins where the 

 state authority ends. The bill carefully avoids all con- 

 flicts of this character. It begins when animals or birds 

 are loaded upon the cars to be shipped to a point outside 

 of the state. When they are thus transported, for in- 



