DUSOIS: 



Go after Mr a Athaarn; you will never have a better 



chance. 



I mi^ht as!: you to toll us something about the ap- 

 plication of efficiency mot ho do to personnel problems - con- 

 flicts "between personnel difficulties and the desirability 

 of new schemes. 



ATEIUHU: 



I can toll you ny experience. I cc,n "boot illustrate 



it "by ts!:in : r _. a concrete caco, (Mr.Athoarn liors dosci'ibod a 

 "big saving effected in a certain departmont of the Railroad 

 which was accomplished first "by gottinr the heads of h0 

 "bureaus interested, } So, you see that while it resulted 

 in this tremendous saving amount in to more than toe Pres^i.-- 

 dont ! s sr.lary in a yee-r (the 3 *P. President ) , it would never 

 have conie about had I not first enlisted the aid of thoi e 

 other parties. Having interested parties worl:inr^; with you 

 ra-cher then for you is a thin worth "bearing in rnind - the 

 difference "bet^/eoii *' ?with r^id for. 'Jo \/ere woiv'ins together 

 and tho s^^stem was a success, and that is the only way I Imow 

 of eliminating this personal antithesis and antagonism that 

 we find toward any new thinr; that is introduced* Get the 

 othor follow to thin!: he is part and parcel of it, and do not 

 thrust it at him out oi the clear sliy, because he will ballr, 



REDIIJG201T: 



I notice 3^ou said that a certain amount of red tape 



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