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Mr. WHITE. But here is a gentleman who says he did gather seeds in March. 



Mr. BERTRAM. I- do not agree with Principal Loudon in what he says about the 

 American lumbermen. He spoke about our far-sighted colleagues, the United States 

 lumbermen. Now the lumbermen of the United States are a lot of very nice fellows, 

 delightful men to meet. I was going to give them the very best of character, but you 

 can take it all for granted. I was going to say another thing about them. They are 

 the keenest, shrewdest men in the world. I won't say they wanted to play a low-down 

 game on us, but they wanted to take all our logs from Canada and saw them in the 

 United tSates, but there were some things they did not know about the constitution 

 of Canada, and we turned the game on them. They are the greatest sinners in the 

 country and their whole efforts have been to cut down the forests and turn them into 

 money. We have been great sinners ourselves in that respect, but I think we got light 

 a little quicker than they did. It would be impossible for any institution of this kind, 

 like the Forestry Association, to take any recommendation as to a particular institu- 

 tion. We can go the length of asking the Provincial Government to provide a grant 

 for the establishment of a school or schools, but if I was to single out Toronto 

 University here they would raise the cry 'Oh, he is a Toronto man. Hogtown.' 

 And they would say we wanted to grab everything. I know they have done good work 

 in Kingston, and did it before it was thought of here, and I would not like to move 

 a resolution here which would be a direct slap in the face either to Guelph or Kings- 

 ton. I therefore move : 



Kesolved, that the Ontario Government be and is hereby requested to make an 

 appropriate grant for the operation of a Provincial School or Schools of Forestry. 



Mr. LITTLE seconded. 

 Resolution adopted. 



Father BURKE. Mr. President, in connection with tne subject that Mr. Stewart 

 so ably referred to, the. water sources of Canada, I think it would be well if we should 

 offer a resolution. Therefore, I would move, seconded by Mr. Newman Silverthorne, 

 who understands this question thoroughly also : 



Resolved, that this Association urge upon the Federal and Provincial Govern- 

 ments the advisability of a careful examination of the water sources of Canada upon 

 which the supply for agricultural, manufacturing or irrigation enterprises depends, 

 with a view to the adoption of such measures as will assure the proper conservation 

 and maintenance of the forest growth so essential to the continuance of an even flow 

 in the streams during the seasons of the year when it is most required, and to the 

 prevention of destructive floods and erosion of the watersheds such as have occurred 

 in older lands. 



Mr. SILVERTHORNE. In seconding that motion, Mr. President, I may say that I 

 can see the importance of the preservation of the forest and the volume of the streams 

 throughout the agricultural portion of Canada. Now, we have a number of rivers 

 around Toronto, some of which to-day are dry streams. They were milling stBeams 

 years ago, milling streams throughout the season, and to-day the mills have been 

 abandoned, the ponds have gone into agriculture, the buildings moved away, and the 

 river no longer used for milling purposes. It is high one day and down the next day 





