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effort is to be made to grow seedlings, and to educate people in the older parts of the 

 province to gr>\\ m-os and restore portions of the forest, but to talk about our having 

 this close European system of care and study over this province is nonsense; it is not 

 possible for us to do, and it is not necessary for us to do it at the present time. It 

 must not be imagined that the Government is careless, or that the Government does 

 not make every possible effort to conserve the wealth that we have. Last year we 

 spent (the Crown and the licensees) some eighty thousand dollars in fire-ranging alone 

 on lands under license in this province. In addition to that protection from lire, we 

 have established five large forest reserves, which we propose to keep in forest in per- 

 petuity. Also, we have established a large park up in. the Nipissing district, the 

 Algonquin Park, and we have another park at Kondeau. Therefore. I say the 

 Government is doing its duty to the utmost of its ability. Now, what I think is the 

 first duty of the Government, and what I think is the common-sense duty, is to pro- 

 tect the timber that we have. That is the first thing. Now, how are we doing that? 

 As I say, we are placing forest rangers upon every limit under license. What Mr. 

 Bertram said this morning was very true, that not a long time ago some men would 

 not put firerangers upon their limits, and the other contiguous limits were exposed 

 to danger that arose from the carelessness of these men. Well, we have legislated 011 

 this matter, and the House has given the Commissioner power to place rangers upon 

 a' man's limits, where he is too careless to look after them, and wherever there is 

 danger we undertake to do that. But, as I say, all over the licensed territory we have 

 placed firerangers on every limit, and we have got the sympathy and assistance of 

 the timber licensees to enable us to keep a close watch, and after all, fire is the great- 

 est enemy we have to contend with. Now, Mr. Hutt said, and he said it, I know, 

 without thinking, that we have annual timber sales. We do not have annual timber 

 sales in this province. There are three great principles, I take it, that guide the Gov- 

 ernment in holding timber sales. One is, that if the territory is capable of settlement, 

 the timber ought to be cut away and the licensee given a reasonable time to do that 

 before people are put into that district. The other is, if, through railway construc- 

 tion or mining development, timber areas are exposed to danger of being burnt up, 

 then it is proper to dispose of that timber in order to get the most that we can for the 

 province. And the other, and perhaps not the least of the three, is the necessities of 

 the lumber trade for a supply of raw material. -It is all very well for you to say that 

 we should not sell any more timber, but if you have a -gigantic industry with hundreds 

 of millions of dollars invested in it, is it fair to say to these people : You may dispose 

 of your property, if you like, but at any rate we will not sell you any more timber? 

 So it comes about that whenever land suited for settlement is required, or when tim- 

 ber is liable to be burnt on lands suited for mining, or anything of that kind, then 

 we have a timber sale. Incidentally, we derive revenue from that sale, but we do not 

 sell merely for the purpose of getting revenue. I want that distinctly understood. 

 Now, sir, in addition to these firerangers supervising limits, we have another staff of 

 rangers on land not under license. We have had two or three men on the Missinabie 

 river and on waterways where people travel, and have had them post up notices on 

 portages, &c., so that travellers may know what the law is and be taught to observe it. 

 We have enlisted the sympathies of the Hudson's Bay Company people, and have got 

 their men to post notices up everywhere, and they have inculcated a spirit of care upon 



