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Mr. STEWART. Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask a question. I understood Col. 

 Loggie to state that the limits had been gone over every ten years. I would like to have 

 that point made clear. What size do they cut in order to go over it again in ten years 

 and get another cut profitably ? I may say that I understood the same thing from Sena- 

 tor Snowball some time ago. He gave me to understand that he cut his limits every 

 ten years. What I would like to know is do you get the same quantity each cut, of 

 course omitting the virgin cut. Subsequent to the virgin cut what quantity do tli.>y 

 get, and is it the rule to cut every ten years ? 



Col. LOGGTE. It 13 only in certain sections that they do that. It is only in a few 

 places that the spruce is so fast growing as that. I was speaking of Nashwaak, and 

 Mr. Gibson, the owner of that property, operates over the same ground every ten years 

 and gets a good proportion of logs eighteen feet long and ten inches at the small end. 

 He practically gets as much lumber each time he goes over the ground. 



Mr. STEWART. It pays him to go back every ten years ? 



Col. LOGGIE. When he cuts the merchantable logs it lets the air and light get in 

 which makes the growth considerably faster. 



The CHAIRMAN. About what area would he go over and about how much would he 

 take out? 



Col. LOGGIE. His average cut is about twenty-five or thirty millions per annum. 

 He has cut over a thousand million since he has been lumbering at Nashwaak. 



Mr. STEWART. What area is his forest? 

 Col. LOGGIE. 225,000 acres. 



Dr. CLARK. There was just one point that I would like to call attention to, 

 and which I would like to hear discussed and have the opinion of the association on, 

 as well as the opinion of the lumbermen from the west. 



The government of British Columbia has recently doubled the ground rent and 

 has also increased the stumpage rent. The ground rent has been increased from four 

 to eight dollars. I think that is bad policy. 



Mr. STEWART. From four to eight dollars a square mile ? 



Dr. CLARK. Yes. By putting the ground rent high the tendency will be to force 

 the lumbermen to cut more, so that he can get his lumber off and abandon the land. 

 On the other hand, if you put the increase on the stumpage you tend to conserve 

 the land. I think the west is just now suffering from over-production, and this increase 

 of the land rent would be to force them to cut as much as they possibly could so as 

 to clear their limits up as quickly as possible. I am very strongly of the opinion that 

 the ground rent should be kept low and not increased in any way, and that any in- 

 crease that must be made should be made upon the stumpage, then the government 

 interests and the lumberman's interests will both be conserved. 



The CHAIRMAN. If there is any British Columbia gentleman here we would be 

 glad to hear his views on the subject. 



