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related at all. although I can readily see that it might appear from 

 the language that they are. That can be remedied, of course, by 

 making the language more explicit. 



^Ir. AxDERSox. The two items are not related, but it is all one 

 proposition, because you either buy one place or another. I can not 

 see any use of putting in a lot of language and providing a lot of 

 changes Avhen you have got to l)uy machines anyway. 



Mr. Jump. I am not well enough informed personalh" as to all 

 of the reasons which make the first proviso necessary. ^Ir. ^lac- 

 Donald will go into that in detail, however, when he comes before 

 the committee. With respect to the second proviso, however, un- 

 der present conditions at the department, with the bureaus occupy- 

 ing some 40 buildings in widely scattered sections of the city, and 

 with the numerous outlying experiment stations, all of them neces- 

 sar}- for different purposes, it is absolutely necessary to have ma- 

 chines for official use in order to transact ])usiness and to accom- 

 modate people who visit the department on Government business 

 of such nature that they should not have to spend all day running 

 around from one part of the city to another to reach the place they 

 Avant to find and which it is to the Government's interest that 

 they do find without undue aggravation. It is equally desirable to 

 provide the department some way of getting out to the experimental 

 farms. For instance, two members of the Board of Estimates of 

 the Budget Bureau who went over these estimates desired to make 

 an inspection of the Beltsville experimental farm of the Bureau of 

 Animal Industry. The way we handled that was by calling on 

 the Bureau of Public Roads for the use of on,' of their cars to 

 take them out there and bring them back. 



From time to time during the year we have distinguished visitors 

 who come to this country, as well as our own people Avho come from 

 the various States, and their status is such that it is desirable to 

 show them some of the work done at the outlying experimental farms. 

 Sometimes the dejiartment desires their judgment and advice. In 

 such cases we are obliged to go to the Bureau of Public Roads and 

 ask them to send over one of their cars. „ 



Mr. Anderson. "Where are j^ou embarrassed by having to do that? 



Mr. Jump. We are not embarrassed in making the request on the 

 bureau, as it is a part of the department the same as any other 

 branch, and under the direction of the Secretary, but the bureau 

 naturally is not equipped or organized especially to render that kind 

 of service for the dei:)artment generalh'. It has work to do with its 

 machines, and I shouhl say it embarrasses them by discommoding 

 their work and disrui)ting their arrangements for use of their force 

 otherwise when we must call upon them constantly to iletail ma- 

 chines for general de]:)artment purposes. 



Another instance: AVe have coming into Washington from time to 

 time the winners in the boys' and girls* club work from the various 

 States. They were sent here by their States, a trij) to Washington 

 being one of the rewards for their outstanding achievements ah)ng 

 agricultural lines. 



The (lepai-tment officers concerned take them to points of interest 

 in the department, to the farms, etc.. and other activities or work of 



