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Ml*. MAiiKK. riu" wiiy it st tiki's iin' — I tlo not pn'tnid to know 

 al«)iit it — is that if \v«» had souw practical proixisition upon which 

 wt» coiihl staml for at least a rcasonahh' Icii^rth of tiiin' without all 

 th<>s(> cnanj/os and icoi«^:inizatioiis, mid Wdrkiii;/ (»iit of hah*-s|>littin^ 

 flu'oiics all the while, we iiii;^ht a<<<»iMplish s<Miiethin;r, 



Assistant Secn'tarv Prnsi.KY. That is just exactly what we are try- 

 ing to do. and that is the I'easori we think this chart exhihits that 

 fimdainetal hasis. I do not thiid< yon have ever had presented to yon 

 hefor*' 



Mi-. Ma(!KK (inteiposin«r). I am only ^ivin;; yon my nation ahout 

 it. If we coid<l "Tct some •rroiind and hnild up on that «rronn<l in 

 s«)me lo^'ical way. so that instead of hein^r j»resented a new-fan^rled 

 notion »'v«'ry little while, we conld reach some point where con- 

 structive Avork was possible. 



Assistant Sc<ietaiy l*i <;si.ky. This is just the reason wc are present- 

 in;: this i)lan of fundamental or;rM nidation. 



Mi-. Hrcn.WAN. \\\\\ not this split up the nuhlicity work, or ad- 

 vertising.' work, instead of consolidatin<r it^ I'ou take the editorial 

 work and the publication work out of this new oi-^anization you 

 liave <r<)t, 



•Assistant Secretary Pi cslf.y. ^ <>u put in the Secretary's office all of 

 the printed work of the department, where it can be piven si>ecial 

 supervision: you put undei- the director of extension all of those 

 extension activities by means of cooj)erative extension agents as well 

 as by exhibits and by motion pictures, 



Mr-. AxnKiisoN. Is not this what you really do( You propose to 

 briuL*" the extension activities under the director of extension work, 

 just as you have reseai'ch under the research director and the regu- 

 latory Work under the director of regulatory work? 



Assistant Secretary Pugsley. Yes, sir, 



Mr. Andkkson. Then you ]>r<)pose to put this extension work, to- 

 <rether with the activities allied with it. like publications, under the 

 Assistant Secretary, or substantially so — I suppose that means under 

 the Secretary — so as to «:et a correlation there? 



Assistant Secretary Pi (jslky. Yes. snr. But no work in the Di- 

 vision of Pul)licati()ns. exce|)t the editorial, printiuff. and distribu- 

 tion work, ^oes into the Secretary's office i)roper. 



Mr. ANnERS<ix. Is there anythinjr else there? 



Assistant Secretary Ptosley. Yes: motion i)ictures an<l exhibits. 



Mr. J I .MP. They do not really belonir in publications now. 



Assi.s-tant Secretary Piosley. Do not lofrically belonir there. 



Mr. BrcHAXAN. Why do you not do it? This is administrative 

 business that it is proper for you to do, as I look at it. We did not 

 oriranize this thinjr the wav von have it now bv act of Con^riess. 



Mr. Jimp. Yes; Mr. Buchanan. The wav the bill reads now. the 

 Division of Publications has in it these two activities — motion pic- 

 tures and exhibits, which are not really |)ul)lication work. Admin- 

 istratively, the Secretary can run them any way he wants to, but it 

 involves all kinds of complications in connection with bookkeepinir 

 and the accounting work, and the purchase of supplies, and all that: 

 so that what he woidd like to do is. as Mi-. Pugsley hjis explained, 

 to do a wav with this confusion and actuallv i)iin<r the>e or^aniza- 

 tiont>that do not now behrn^ in publications out of it. and to attach 



