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liiivc (It'tcriidatrd to a point wliorr t\\v iipkorp Ih very (freat. Now. it 

 would cost loss money, pmlxihly. to trad*' Home of lluwio miichinf*ii 



in tliarj it would t(t sinipjy drivr tlirrn off itilo a difrh and U'ave 

 tluMu, lnM-ausc \'ou should j^rt as nuicli salvap' value as there is in 

 them. That is a perfectly undeiNlandahle proposition. 



Mr. Ma(I)oxali). I should like to have in the reeord. ttMi, the fnet 

 that this trnnsp(trtati<»n is ahsolulely ne<'essary for the rarrviri;,' on 

 of our Work. I ha\t' just invest i;;ated some of our ojjerations in 

 New Me.xieo, for e.xnmple. and in order to eover the Federal aid 

 projects we have there now, hy the use of aut«im«>hil«»s. we have 

 arrnnj^ed four lri|)s which re<|uirc two weeks each, that is, it takes 

 ei<;ht weeks to eover the j)rojecls which are ;,join^ on there now. 

 Those projects could not be covered if we nttempte<l to u.se trian serv- 

 ice. because it does not e.xist. The same thin;: is true in the ruitiorud 

 forests. The ranijes of mountains, as you know, run largely north- 

 east and southwest, an<l the forest areas occupy largely the mountain 

 ranges, while our transcontinental highways run from the east to 

 the west, so that we have inherited with the national forests the 

 liability of building through the worst sections of land that are 

 encountered; that is, ero.ssing the mountain ranges; the valleys 

 Iving in between are not in the forest reserves, but the forest resen'os 

 lie on th(> mountains and we are running at right angles to them and 

 crossing them at the best passes we can hnd. So that transporta- 

 tion is not only absolutely necessary from the standpoint of carrying 

 on the work, but from the standpoint of saving as mueh time as 

 possible, especially where \hr roads are open for otdy a few months 

 throughout the year. 



Mr. Anderson. Are these ears used by your supervising engineers 

 inspector's, etc. ? 



Mr. MAfDoNALi). Yes, sir. 



We have been administering the Federal road a<'t sinee 19 H) and 

 we bave never bought one new automobile for that purpose. 



Mr. Anderson. \Ve understand what vou are trying to get at and 

 when we come to write up the bill we will put in what the committee 

 is willing to carrv. 



What is to be said about the second proviso ( 



Mr. JcMP. When Mr. Reese was here he fully explained that |ir<>viso 

 and I will merely reiterate what Mr. Reese said the other day. We 

 would like to secure authority to u.se several of the seeond-haiul ma- 

 chines which the Bureau of Roads has taken over from the War 

 Department for the ordinary work of the department in Washington . 



Monday, Nove.mbku 27, I'.fJ-'. 



COOPERATIVE CONSTRUCTION OF RURAL POST ROADS. 



Mr. Ander.son. Mr. MacDonald, we will take up the item on page 

 360 with reference to the construction of post roads. 



Mr. MacDonald. Mr. Chairman, under the various Federal aid 

 road acts the department has been carrying on cooperative road 

 building with the several States, and the mileage of highways which 

 have been completed and paid for under the several acts providing 

 Federal funds, bv States, by types, and by fiscal years, is shown on 

 the table which 1 am submitting f(U' the reeord. 



(The table referred to follows.) 



