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have a total of S63.000,000, but here is Alabama with $4,000,000, 

 California with $.3,000,000, Indiana with $4,000,000. and New York 

 with $9,000,000. or pretty nearly haU of the funds in those four or 

 five States, the rest of it being distributed in small balances. These 

 balances are based upon the assumption that the payments during 

 1923 will be the same ixs for 1922. 



Mr. Anderson. They will ncU do that, because your authorization 

 for this vear is not as large. 



Mr. ^fAcUoNALD. The authorization for this year does not have 

 anything to do with what the States are going to draw. Of course, 

 it has something to do with it. but a large part of the program for 

 whicli tliey actually pay out the money is based on former apportion- 

 ments, and out of the apportionment that will be available for this 

 year of $.')0. 000,000. I assume that probably $26,000,000 will go over 

 for the program next year. 



Approximately, we estimate that there are 20 States that will need 

 their apportionments of the $65,000,000 during the fiscal year 1924. 

 Those estimates are as close as can be made without knowing whether 

 the States will take up the entire amount of our indebtedness to 

 them, or whether they will carry on the same-sized program as they 

 have on an average during the preceding years. If all the States 

 were operating on the same basis, then any balance which we have 

 remaining in the Treasury would all the time be prorated to the 

 States in the same proportion as the funds are originally appropriated, 

 and then the total balance would mean something, but as it is, the 

 total balance means nothing whatever. 



Mr. Anderson. You are dealing with two things here ^ 



Mr. MacDonald. Yes, sir; that is true. 



Mr. Anderson. One of them is the authorization. Now. it seems 

 to me that you have language here which continues your authoriza- 

 tion, but so far as this committee is concerned, we have nothing to 

 do with that except as the authorization creates an obligation which 

 has to be paid out of the Treasury this year. What we want tt) get 

 at, if we can, is this, 1 think: Assuming that this authorization will 

 be made in accordance with the provisions of this section of the 

 law, what additional sums will be drawn from the Treasury in addi- 

 tion to those already appropriated, and those which must be appro- 

 priated for this year^ 



Mr. MacDonald. It is this fiscal year that we are talking about. 



Mr. Anderson. I mean the next fiscal year. 



Mr. MacDonald. Assuming that that authorization would carry 

 sulUcient authority over intt) the succeeding fiscal year, or that 

 the Appropriations Committee could appropriate the balance of it, 

 I believe that the $30. 000, 000 would be sufficient until January 1, 

 1924, but 1 can not guarantee that it would be. 



Mr. Anderson. Of course, that is not a matter of very great con- 

 secjuence, perlia|)s, because the next session will be next December, 

 if we do not have one earlier, and, as long as you can create obliga- 

 Uous, the mere iippropiiation of the money is relatively a small 

 thing. 



Mr. MacDo.nald. I agree with you thoroughly on that. However, 

 to get some safeguard, if it were specified by the committee that the 

 $.30, ()()(), 000 could he used (o (aUe up obligations as they vnmc in, 

 it would be well. 



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