Sept. 6. 1906 



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' American Dee Journal 



Dr. Miller — As a member of this Association, I move 

 that we recommend that the proposition of The Honey- 

 Producers' League to take over from them this money (some 

 $1,300), to be used by us, and to have a committee arranged 

 to expend it in the way proposed, be accepted and that this 

 be recommended to the Directors. 



Mr. Smith — I second the motion. 



Mr. Wheeler — I sell honej in Chicago. I go personally 

 to the trade, and in that waj I get at the feeling of the 

 people as some men do not As far as I can see, and know, 

 the people all know what horn is, and they know that the 

 honey they are getting in Chicago labeled as pure honey is 

 pure honey, and they know that the comb honey on the mar- 

 ket is comb honey, and pure honey. If this honey is pure I 

 don't think that the labels or printed matter sent out by 

 The Honey-Producers' League, or this National, should bear 

 the names in large letters of the officers. 



Pres. Dadant — The question is whether they should ac- 

 cept or reject. 



Mr. Wheeler — I want to tell you what The Honey-Pro- 

 ducers' League has done. This League goes before the pub- 

 lic with their circulars put into comb-honey supers, and say- 

 ing so and so, and then at the bottom they put the name of 

 somebody that is interested in the sale of honey the same as 

 I am. I am a member of the League and of the National, 

 and it this League goes into the National; and if the offi- 

 cers of the League are to be at the head of this department, 

 and use their names there to advertise their goods. I am 

 placed in competition with my own brothers in the same 

 society. 



Dr. Miller — I rise to a point of order. He is mentioning 

 something that would not 1m the 1 



Mr. Wheeler — I want to be placed on this market in 

 Chicago on an equal footing with every member of the 

 National Bee-Keepers' Association. 1 am willing to take my 

 stand on my own goods and guarantee them, but I must 

 not be put in competition with a man in the same society that 

 I am supporting. 



Mr. York — I think Mr. Wheeler said he was a member 

 of the Honey Producers' League. I don't find his name on 

 the list. 



Mr. Wheeler — No. I said if the Honey-Producers' 

 League joins the National I will be a member of both. 



Pres. Dadant — No. The League will be'destroyed. 



Mr. Muth — If the National Bee-Keepers' Association 

 takes that money and insists upon the names of all these 

 Directors, then I would call that tainted money, and I would 

 certainly be in favor of not accepting their money under 

 any condition. I want to advertise my business, not Mr. 

 York or Dr. Miller or the Lewis Company or Mr. Boyden, 

 or any of the Honey-Producers' League or National Bee- 

 Keepers' Association. I wouldn't have the money under any 

 circumstances. 



Mr. Johnson — As I understand this question, the effect of 

 this motion, if passed or rejected will amount to this: 

 Whether this Honey-Producers' League shall die right 

 here and we shall take that money, or whether we wish 

 them to continue on and try to do good in advertising 

 honey. I am a member of The Honey-Producers' League, 

 and I produce honey. I have no objection to the 

 League. These people that have not paid anything, it 

 does not cost them anything, and I don't see what objection 

 they can have. The Honey- Producers' League can't harm 

 in advertising honey, and I would like to wish them well, 

 and let them go on and see what they can do. 



Mr. Scott — I would like to ask a question : Who has 

 ever intimated that the officers of the Honey-Producers' 

 League should become some of the officers of the National 

 Association? Who has ever intimated anything more than 

 that The Honey Producers' League wishes to turn over 

 the money to the National ? 



Dr. Miller — That Dutchman right there (Mr. Muth); 

 he says if those names are going to be on, which is inti- 

 mating those names will be on. 



Mr. Kimmey — If I understand it, this money is offered 

 us to use in a certain manner. I think we better accept 

 the money first, and then after that if we are afraid we will 

 be injured in our business by the names of the officers of 

 the National Association being put upon the notices, that 

 is a matter to be considered afterwards. 



Mr. Hershiser — I have lost interest in this proposition 

 since it was first presented to the bee-keepers, about a year 



ago; I haven't any n recollection upon the matter 



now, but at that time 1 couldn't see they were ever going 

 to be able to help me. They proposed to raise the price of 

 honey, as [remember it, but the point to which they pro- 

 posed to raise it was below the point I am able to sell at. 

 I believe if ever -per will take the same pains to 



advertise his goods that !, this League can not 



help them. As I sec it, 1! rn fellows arc raising 



the price of their honey from .^ to 5 cents a pound, by bring 

 ing it down to compete with me; I don't want thai done; ii 

 they will let me alone 1 will take care of that question. 



Mr. Taylor— This Association ha- a constitution that pro- 

 vides for the expenditure of any money in their hands for 

 the interest of the bee-keepers. Why is it necessary that there 

 should be a condition put in this 'motion to embarrass the 

 Association after it receives the. money? We have a vers 

 distinct article in our Constitution that practically covers the 

 same ground, and if this condition is put in, 'it will only 

 give rise to further discussion and wrangling as to what is 

 the meaning of the condition. 1 move 'that the motion be 

 amended by striking out the condition. 



Mr. Muth — I second the amendment. 



Dr. Miller — The question is. why should you receive the 

 money with the condition attached? Simply this: That 

 money was handed to us for the express purpose which I 

 mentioned to you— to he used foi advertising. Now, if the 

 money should be handed over to be used for some other 

 purpose, the man who handed it to us for advertising would 

 not have his wish earned out. If you won't take this gift 

 "ii our terms, we won't give it. 



Mr. Taylor— I want to put this motion in such a position 

 that the Association can vote on it without a condition. 

 If we adopt this motion without the condition it doesn't 

 necessarily follow that we get the money. In the adoption 

 of the motion in that form, if it should be adopted, they can 

 refuse to hand over the money. It is simply a question as 

 to the form in which this Association is willing to receive 

 money. Do they desire to receive it with the condition, or 

 untrammeled? It seems to me if we are going to have the 

 money that the Association ought to have it so that they can 

 handle it without being trammeled. 



The question was called for. 



The President put the amendment which on a vote hav- 

 ing been taken was declared lost. 



The President then put the original motion, which, on 

 a rising vote, having been taken, was declared carried unani- 

 mously. 



The Secretary read a communication from F. E. Brown, 

 giving the report of the \ational Honey-Producers' Asso- 

 ciation, as follows: 



To the National Bee-Keepers' Association Assembled — 



Gentlemen : — As it will not be possible for me to be with 

 you at this convention, and as chairman of your committee 

 to organize a National Honey-Producers' Association for the 

 marketing of our product, I take this opportunity to make my 

 report. 



I beg to say that the committee found that the producers 

 of honey from every center are anxiously looking and in- 

 quiring for our sucess, and without an effort on our part, 

 many hundreds of dollars were offered for stock as soon as 

 it should be issued. However, we moved carefully and judi- 

 ciously that the child born at St. Louis convention and named : 

 "The National Honey Producers' Association of America," 

 should have a good "constitution" to build upon; this matter 

 the committee did much hard and effectual work on, but was 

 greatly handicapped, being scattered from the Atlantic to the 

 Pacific ; this made the work go rather slowly-, and as we were 

 about to make a grand finish, with incorporation papers 

 nearly ready to file, to our great surprise, something, or 

 someone, gave birth to the League. While the latter is not 

 a child of the National Bee-Keepers' Association, yet it is 

 in her house under the same roof, partaking of the nutritious 

 substances that should have gone to the National's legiti- 

 mate child, until the committee could see no room for both 

 to grow and prosper, and have decided to give away to the 

 League. This is done with much regret, for, as producers 

 of honey, we believe that better results would come to the 

 bee-keeper if they should market their own products, rather 

 than have it done by publishers and manufacturers. The one 

 who produces honey, should also have some say what price 

 he should get for it. This can only be done by associating 



