the every-day run of affairs and where the local dairymen are not 

 all striving for the same market. This will prevent patrons from 

 being cognizant of all of the details and therefore of the unavoid- 

 able things which are bound to come up now and then, and they 

 will only know that the Medical Milk Commission is keeping 

 supervision over it and considers the milk of the best quality. 



I have spoken of co-operation for the betterment of milk condi- 

 tions, and I want to bring it before you again, for co-operation with 

 education will be one of the greatest elements in settling the prob- 

 lem. Educate the producer to the point where he can see tho 

 advantage of co-operation, then with the aid of the Milk -Com- 

 mission the producer can get returns for his labor. How would 

 I have them co-operate? By joining forces and doing something 

 on the order of the fruit growers; put in a milk station of their 

 own and hire a man to take charge of the milk similar to the middle- 

 man of the present time. The men that go into this can make 

 rules for the producers to follow in marketing. Outsiders could 

 get their milk through the milk producers' station by paying a 

 prescribed rate. 



If some such system was adopted the consumers and producers 

 could be brought in closer contact, and in this way results can be 

 obtained that cannot be brought about in any other way. 



Discussion of paper, "Milk Producers and Pure Milk," Prof. F. 

 D. Hawk: 



Dr. J. L. Milton, Oakland : I think certified milk has come to 

 stay. A few years ago when we first started to have certified 

 milk it was only with great difficulty that we could get our patients 

 to order it ; now our patients suggest it themselves and want to 

 know where they can get it for the baby. At the start we had 

 some difficulty, too, with the certified milk itself; for a while in 

 Oakland the milk was bad, and the people who were impressed 

 with the idea that they must have certified milk were discouraged 

 when the milk was delivered in a dirty manner. Sometimes it con- 1 

 tained flies and bristles, but that has all been rectified now. As 

 an example of the good condition of certified milk that we now 

 get, one doctor in Oakland went away on a vacation of five days 

 and during his absence his milk was delivered regularly, and on 

 his return he found the milk in good condition, and this shows the 

 value of certified milk. People are realizing that certified milk is 

 clean, and sometimes they say there must be some preservative 

 used, as it never gets sour. I think that certified milk has come to 

 stay, and it is really surprising how many people have come to use 

 it; people on small salaries are using it. 



Dr. A. A. Stafford, Alameda : I feel certain that certified milk 

 has come to stay. The question of price is not one that the con- 

 sumer talks very much about ; patients are constantly asking where 

 they can get good milk for the baby. The question of price is 

 seldom kicked about, and there are many people who do not know 

 about certified milk, and I am sure that a little advertising among 

 the people will help create a demand for it. As the professor said 

 in his paper, if a half column was bought in the newspapers, or 

 even a little square, which the producers of certified milk could 



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