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tedious." I trie(>to remember all the things that were said, 

 but could not. It did not amount to much. The two men 

 are different and opposite. Morell is a " national school " 

 inspector, and has been in the receipt of a large salary for 

 fifteen years, visiting schools. Has a place of his own, with 

 cellar stored with choice wines ; has made money on every 

 one of his books; is the author of a grammar that sells 

 twenty thousand a year ; is in capital English health, etc., 

 and consequently boils over with satisfaction. Spencer, on 

 the other hand, is burdened and embarrassed — no sale for 

 his books, in bad health, sleepless, and with the weight of 

 his mighty subjects pressing upon his soul. It is natural 

 that the bearing of the two men should be very different. 

 I don't know how much they have previously seen of each 

 other, but suspect but little. They made frequent refer- 

 ence to meeting at Dr. Carpenter's. For a little mischief 

 I got them by the ears on the subject of state education. 

 Spencer was intensely earnest ; Morell cavalier, grandly 

 indifferent— " had been through all that long since"; "all 

 very well for reasoning, but it was a different thing to 

 have the responsibility of acting in reference to the mat- 

 ter." I had to divert the discussion, for Mr. Spencer was 

 getting excited, which is the worst thing in the world for 



him. 



I don't know how it came out, but it did come out, that 

 Morell had been into and through the socialistic craze. He 

 had even had the Fourier fever, and fraternized with Do- 

 herty, etc., who represented the thing in England, as Bris- 

 bane did m America. He was a little semi-shy in speaking 

 of it ; half commended it, half acknowledged the sell ; re- 

 ferred to his interviews with W. H. Channing, who sympa- 

 thized, and is on the whole somewhat in the condition of 

 Ripley on the subject. This is the rendering I put on what 

 was hastily said. Another thing I was surprised to learn 

 in regard to Mill. While intellectually there is accorded to 



