getting anywheiHi. But during th« first World War*- 

 lay brother was a eonsolentlous obJeotor-*OXder made 

 it easier for ub and all the eonaolentloua 

 objectors. He was synip&thetiet whldh meant a lot* 

 His office was about the only place where we were 

 accepted at the tine* X knew his throu^ John Barry 

 wmS got in^rlted to his birthday parties. Soiae of 

 them were very Interesting* I admired lots of the 

 things he did and his courage* 



Glib I How closely did you know Barryt 



Gogglnss Well^ X used to have lunch with him one* a week for 

 years* 



dllbt Just because you were friends? 



Gogglnss Because we were friends and we were Interested and 

 Qfor viewpoint was the same. He believed very much 

 as X did 9 and we were In synpathy. 



011b « Socialism^ for Instance? 



Cogglnst 7es» although he was never a member of the Party^ 

 but he defended Its vle%rpolnts rather subtly and 

 very carefully. He was an anti-war man. All the 

 way through the war he was never reconciled to 

 the war. He was ant 1 -capital -punishment; when the 

 law was being considered, he went out and cax^algned 

 for It. He was a very civilized person. As X said 



