hou»e. He told about the Archbishop being very 

 tactful. The other guests would kiss his ring. 

 He didn't embarrass John* 



Gilbl Because he was no longer C»tholic« 



Cogginst Tes* I presuae 80« 



John used to stay at our house— he'd eoiae over 

 sometimes* Once I had a debate with General David 

 Barrows— \di31e he was President of the University of 

 California* The Unitarian Church wanted someone 

 to speak against war* Somebody told them to get 

 me* John came and wrote it up at some length* He 

 made two or three articles out of it. Gave him a 

 chance to get in a lot of his own views on it too* 

 But it didn't stop the war* 



Gilbs Were his views shared by Fremont Oldert 



Coggins: As I said before, I don't think Fremont Older could 

 accept Sooialism* He was an individualist of 

 pioneer background* He had to have a lot of 

 freedom for himself* But he recognized the foolish- 

 Bitt of war, and he defended the objectors to war 

 and a lot of people who needed defending* He 

 stuck his neck out* Hearst probably kept him 

 becaiise he was profitable* He was successful* 



