He knew a lot of people he dlsagx^ed with, but they 

 respected hlm« He got advertising. 



Ollbs He did not alienate the advertisers? 



Cogginst No 9 apparently not* 



ailh: That's Interesting. ^-^ 



Oogglns: He was so dynamic and yet kind that he carried 



people with him. He could get people to help others. 



Gilbt I wonder if as an editor he tried to censor the 

 Tiews of people like Barry. 



Cogginst Ho, he didn't. But Hearst would have. Hearst 

 finally forced him to let Barry go* 



01 lbs Oh, why was that? 



Cogginst Hearst didji't like that kind of stuff. 



Ollbt Didn't feel it sold well? 



Cogginst Just was hostile to it. In the first place, he was 

 a warrior; he wanted us to conquer the Japanese end 

 the Mexicans, where he had his mining. Probably 

 Fremont kept Barry longer than Hearst wanted him to. 



Oilb: You said John Barry was an institution. Does that 

 mean that he had many, many friends? 



Cogginst Yes. I saw the letter that Older wrote him when he 

 finally had to let him go. And he didn't know where 

 to go then or where to try. He had an offer from 

 the Oakland Tribune and an offer from the News. 



