And we talked it oTer and Joe O'Connoi* thought he 

 ought to go to the Tribune and I thought he 

 should go to the Newa » 



Oilb: I should think that the Hews would be more 

 syxapathetio* 



Coggins: I advised him to go th the Hews* I felt he wouldn't 

 last very long on the Tribune ^ not in thOB e days, 

 anyhow. I knew that old man Scripps had been a 

 tremendous liberal force. He wasn't alive at the 

 time, but there was still a hangover from the old 

 attitude* 



dilbt The Hews has been a strong pro-Labor paper for a 

 long time* 



Coggins: Under Howard it became rather conservative* Howard, 

 I believe, wanted to be Ambassador to England* He 

 was fishing for that for quite awhile, but he didn't 

 get it. But they let Barry write anything he 

 wanted for the balance of his life* 



Gilbs Did he retain his following in the latter part of 

 his life? 



Coggins: ^^ Hews said that he brought 1).,000 new readers 



over with him when he came. That was very impressive, 

 because a lot of his readers probably were already 



