Cogginsi Johnson's strength, I think, came largely from the 

 GathoXie X*bor* X don't think he ever antagonized 

 them willingly. And he was loyal to them and they 

 were loyal to him* 



ailbj «hy ilmtholic? 



Coggina: I»ahbp ia Oatholie in California. The Catholie 

 Church has the working people, and the Catholie 

 Churoh is backing unionism because it helps the 

 working people. They wex»e the ones that really 

 swung the Johnson campaign success* Some of the 

 higher-ups were hostile to Johnson* The mass groups 

 were fcr him* 



dilbi Did you find many Catholic Socialists? 



Cogginss A few, yes* And of course we used to kind of rib 

 them a little about it and quote the Archbishop-** 

 and they'd come back with a pretty good answer^ 

 *A11 higher-ups are cozureriratiTe*** 



dilbi Of course Archbishop Hanna had the reputation of 

 being at least liberal* 



Cogginsi About itlsil'ohnson* X wouldn't be surprised if 

 they were very closely related, 



Qilb: How did you yourself feel? You said that many 



Soeiaif ttfi iiiil#iid to Johnaon aail tlian to liflison* 

 Were you enticed? 



Coggins: No, X felt that the things they stood for were 

 superficial* 



