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Cogglnsi That was a war demonstration* 



OilbJ Against which there had been an anti-war demonstration 

 the day before, 



Cogginst I think so* I forget the details^ but I know I 

 was rather shooked, watching that parade. Just 

 before that explosion^ and here one of the men 

 ttsrehing in liis parade was an officer of one of the 

 peace associations* He was an employee of the 

 organization* You see, those guys are helpless* 

 they are so dependent on capitalism for their Jobs* 

 This was a question that he couldn't afford to be 

 unpopular* 



Glib: I think you mentioned that your brother was a 



conscientious objector. Did you do anything to 

 support the conscientious objectors after we did 

 get into the war? 



Cogginss My brother •in-law was also a conscientious objector* 

 We went to prison and Tisited them all and tried to 

 get them out* I think Wilson's conscience hurt 

 him and he had to take it out on the pacifists* 

 After all, he went in as a peace man, and he was 

 so vindictive to Debs* I have felt so kindly 

 toward Harding* Wilson put Debs in— Harding let 



