hiJsi oat without & guard* X think Debs and Harding 

 had ona thing In eoxnstoii^ fhey ware both kindXf 

 xiien* I guass thej smoked together and had a good 

 tlffia* Wilson was sour# 



Ollbi I^d nanj of the Socialists after we got Into the 

 war continue to be against the war to the point 

 where they would support consoleatloua objectors? 



Cogglns: Well, yes, all the way through, lots of people did. 

 They had their nee ting s. When you realise how 

 helpXess you aret you* re not so apt to n»et or 

 try anything, beeauae you just see how futile it is* 

 It waa a losing battle. It wasn't only that; they 

 didn't know what to do that would be effective. 

 Just merely being against it didn't help much. 



Gilbt X know conscientious objection is very often equated 

 with Quake]ri8]a. And you have a Quaker background. 

 Were you at the time of World War I out here in 

 California a Quaker or connected with Quakers? 



Cogginas No. X f^^T^x* had any close religious affiliation. 

 When I was young I attended Sunday School because 

 my folks — 



ailbt But I mean here in California? 



Cogglns s Ho. 



ailbt So this was Just a matter of principle rather than 

 a matter of religion. 



