Gegginst It seems to me to be Just ooianon sense* Who 



believes in killing? If you want to defend wai* 

 fts a theory, you mi^t say that it was an emergenoyt 

 y<m don*t know what else to do^ or you want to 

 preserve your life, but to say that to go out and 

 kill people is principle. It's pretty hard to 

 defend froa a theoretical standpoint, as an 

 ethical belief, 



Hooney Case 



(3rilbi How we touched on the Tom Mooney case, and I gather 



that you were very sywqjathetic toward him and 

 probably participated in drives to help him. 



Cogglns: Oh yes. We had big meetings for him and, as I 

 said, my predecessor in the business I^m in now 

 raised over #100,000 for it, 



Gilbi What was his name? 



Cogglns: W, D, Patterson, 



Qilbs Re was a Socialist? 



Cogglns: Yes, he'd been a member of the party, 



Oilbt Raised #100,000 personally? 



Cogglns: He drove an automobile around the country and held 



meetings. He used to tell-he had an Irish baekgroimd 

 himself. He said he»d get into Milwaukee or New York 



