Th©y Mere very vocal • But th© Depression brou^^t 

 a lot of skilled people down the breadline^ so that 

 here they had a group of people who were already to 

 go to town and could do things. 



Oilbt Unfoi»tunetely» Upton Sinclair took these people on« 

 not ^M Socialist Party* 



Cogginst Yet* And that always seems to be true. Seems to 

 be that things happen to a certain point endi then 

 A wmv bod comes out* And it looks like a new start* 

 Some people always feel it has a better chance than 

 tbt old stem* 



Oilbi What did you dislik» about the EPIC movement? 



Coggins: Well, I think that I felt that it was transient like 

 the progz*e8sive movements* It would vanish in even 

 a phony prosperity. It did call fdf* production for 

 use* But in some respects it was a little vague. 



0ilbs Socialists accused Sinclair of being vague? X 

 think that's one of the accusaticsis against 

 Socialism, ian*t it? 



Coggins: Well, no, we say take the utilities over and run 

 them. I think EPIC sort of soft-pedalled theiF 

 Socialism. It was made up for mixed and different 

 groups, as I remember it* It was sort of a mixture 

 of, maybe, the Populists and the Socialists end 



