AVOCATIONS: ORNITHOLOGY ASB WHITING 



OllbJ Did you keep up your Interest In ornithology after 

 you ea»« to OalifomiaT 



Goggina: Yea. One of the fir at thlnga I did when I was out 

 here was to go to teachers^ institutes and talk 

 on birda. I guess it helped a little in the 

 publiahing, too, because I met teaehers who were 

 proapective buyers. The company didn't object to 

 my doing it on their time. Be side a « I was paid 

 veil for it. 



Oilb: Did you attempt to publish any books on ornithology? 



Cogginas We wanted to republiah one that had been destroyed 

 by the fire and earthquake, but the lady never 

 finiahed it. She vaa Joe Grinnell*a mother. 



Gilbt Have you ever been tempted to write technical 

 books on ornithology? 



Cogginst NOf there's so many people who like to do that kind 

 of writing. I never had any ambition for it— it 

 looks like too much work. 



Gilb: You began giving talka on birda in Philadelphia? 



Cogginst Yes» I spoke to some of the Friends sehools and to 



recreation centers. Soon after I came to California 

 I gave a aort of introductory lecture » in California 

 Hall at the Univeraity of Calif orniat whieh was 



