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go to Kentucky or Canada or somewhere else to get one? Why indulge, as some 

 do, in a prejudice against the Seventeens, than which no better cattle ever lived 

 When I went to Kentucky first, many years ago, to get some fine Shorthorn stock, 

 Mr. Warfield told me not to get any unless they had some " Seventeen" blood in 

 thf-m, and yet, as soon as they got rid of them over there, then there was some- 

 thing better. I do not believe in these fancies of some special families, for which 

 men will pay extravagant prices. Again, as to color, we induls;e in ridiculous 

 fancies and disparage any but all reds, yet in England the record of the prize- 

 takers at their shows, proves that red is not there regarded as an essential. I 

 should like to see this association condemn thtse strange and unnecessary fancies. 



Judge E. B. Martindale. I do not think that a paper, such as Mr. Thompson's, 

 should be passed by the association without a conversational discussion. I think 

 the paper is a good one, and seems to me pretty largely made up of the result of 

 the Fat Stock exhibition. Of course, that is the best possible way of demonstrat- 

 ing and bringing the animal into test. There is one point absolutely not demonstrated 

 in the test that I would like to hear discussed, that is, the increase under the same 

 food. These animals brought together have not been given the same food, and I 

 do not learn from the paper what food they have been fed on. They claim for the 

 Hereford breed that it will accumulate flesh far more rapidly than the Shorthorns 

 if you confine it to grass alone; upon that I would like to hear some discussion. 

 The cross bred Hereford-Angus took the gold medal at the Kansas City show, but 

 the prize did not go to the best animal, as afterwards demonstrated. I am preju- 

 diced in favor of the Shorthorn, and think the Shorthorn men are in the lead 

 They are benefactors to the farming interests of the State of Indiana, and the 

 more information they can furnish the better it is for the community. 



J. A. Thompson. In comparison at the Fat Stock Show, Clarence KirklevingJon 

 beat anything that came into competition, from one year up 



Jud(je Martindale. Is the increase in weight more from one to two years old or 

 from two to three years old? 



Mr. Thompson. The increase is greater on a young animal than on an older one. 



Mr. Mitchell. I served on a committee for that purpose at Chicago; the amount 

 of feed and the weights were not correctly kept. The best we could learn there is, 

 that the most profit was realized from one to two years old. I would like to know 

 how Clarence Kirklevington was fed; he ran far ahead. of his competitors. 



Judge J. S. BuckUs. I would like to say in this connection that the Shorthorn 

 men are ahead in Indiana, and in my opinion, it is our fault more than anybody 

 else if we do not keep ahead. We don't talk enough or write enough. We should 

 infuse more life into the attendance, and those qualified to write essays should 

 write them, and by a united eflfort, I think we may be able in a short time to make 

 the Shorthorn intere-st in Indiana better than it is. For one, I feel like taking ac- 

 tion in reference to these matters. I do not know any better way than for each one 

 to feel that the responsibility rests upon his shoulders and lay to work with a will. 

 I think we should say something more about the different kinds of feed. 



Judge Martindale. I would like to have the experience of these gentlemen here 

 as to how they feed to get the best results. This is the way in which we can get 

 useful information on this subject. 



