APPENDIX 



EVIDENCE. 



Toronto, Wednesday, Apbil 20, 1892. 



Ex -Aid. Garrett F. Frankland, called and sworn, gave evidence as follows : 



Mr. Drury — I understand, Mr. Frankland, youbave been for many years in the export cat- 

 tle trade 1 A. Yes, since its inception in 1875, and I have gone over personally with the cattle 

 about thirty times. 



Q. You have had opportunities for observing the conduct of cattle on board ships? A. 

 Yes. 



Q. You are no doubt aware that the subject of dehorning cattle has been attracting atten- 

 tion in Ontario during the past few months ? A. Yes. 



Q. Have you seen much damage on the cars or on the water from the horns of animals ? 

 A. I don't think I could say there was one in a hundred ever damaged by horns. 



Q. Would you say there was one in two hundred 1 A. I would not like to say there was as 

 much as that. I have seen occasionally where an animal has introduced its horn between the 

 railings of the car, and in trying to wrench itself loose has pulled the shell of the horn off. The 

 agony of the poor animal has caused me to think there was great pain. 



Q. Now, if the Commission were satisfied that the process of dehorning could be accom- 

 plished without serious suffering, but admitting that there was some suffering, would you be in 

 favor of establishing the practice us a matter of convenience to the shipper ? A. N T o, I prefer 

 them with the horns on. They are pleasing to the eye and calculated to sell for better prices, 

 unless they are natural muleys, and then there is a development of the head that corresponds 

 with the contour of the animal. 



Q. Now, a witness in the English case claimed that the value of polled cattle over unpolled 

 wss from ten shillings to a pound. Could you make a better sale of polled cattle than un- 

 polled ? A. I don't think I could if the quality and weight were equal. 



Q. Your cattle are all tied up ? A. Yes, but if there are vicious ones in the herd it is the 

 duty of the farmer to remove them. We had to saw die horns off an animal once, and you 

 could hear it bellow for a mile away. 



Dr. Smith. — You .iave not seen much dehorning done ? A. No, only where there was an 

 accident. 



To Mr. Drury. — Now, if you were buying at a point 400 miles west of Montreal — the 

 shipping point— and could buy either polled or unpolled cattle, as a matter of convenience and 

 safety which would you prefer? A. I might like one as well as the other, but we would always 

 keep the two kinds separate! Those without horns can often do as much damage as those with 

 horns. 



Q uld not consider that there was much danger from horned cattle in a 400-mile 



journey 1 A. No. 



Q. A nrl on the vessels there is not much lo^s? They are driven on board and remain tied 

 up until they L r ec across. The number of accidents have not been sufficient to cause me to agi- 

 tate for the dehorning of cattle. 



Q. You would not favor it even if it could b3 proved that there was not much suffering to 

 the animal ' A. 1 would not encourage it at all — 1 would not consider it a step in the right 

 direction. 



Q Then, from the shippers' standpoint, you would say there is no demand for dehorning/ 

 A. Yes. 



Q. Have you noticed in the old country any preference given to polled catrle because they 

 were polled ? A. No, I don't think so. 



Mr. Gibson. — Have you had experience of animals that have been dehorned ? A. Yes, I 

 have fed a few of them. 



Q. Do they feed up faster than the others? A. I doa't think so, and they are an eye-sore 

 to me as I am sure they must be to you. I think its an outrage and cruelty. 



