Mr. Drury. — Assuming that dehorning does involve suffering, would you consider it would 

 be a justifiable thing to iriiiot that suffering in view of the goo ! that would result? A. Yes, 1 

 am satisfied there would be a financial benefit as well as a benefit to the cattle generally. If 

 there were no hooking or chasing a bu lock would increase iu weight 100 to 200 pound . 



Q What number of cattle would pass through the market in a year? A. There must be 

 close on to 100,000 in a year. During the ten years L have been there the total number of a i- 

 mals that have gone through would be about 700,0 0. 



Q. And as a result of y< ur experience with this large number, you believe that dehorning 

 would prevent a great deal of suffering? A. Yes. The suffering at the time would be 

 made up for iu the gain to the herd afterwards. I have seen a great deal of suffering 

 caused by gori g, especially in the case of springers. In one case an animal was ripped up 

 into the calf-bed, ad as far as the bag is concerned i have see one h ndred torn open. 



Q. You are a pretty strong advocate of the practice of dehorning? A. Yes. I v\ould 

 support it because I believe ib would be an advantage to the pro lucer as well as to the shipper. 



Mr. Macpherson. — And to the animals themselves? A. Yes, it would be in the end. 

 There are seme animals that might not need to be dehorned, but in order to prevent any 

 from being gored you would have to adopt the system. 



Q. If the vicious animals wer ■ dehorned the others might nob need it so much? A. A 

 bullock need not necessarily be vici us tube a hooker. Of en the quietest milch cow would 

 be the worst from a hooking standpoint when put in with other cattle. 



Mr. Drury. — Of the animals coming into the market, what perce tay;e would you say is in- 

 jured or damaged by goring ! A. There would be ten out of every hundred more or less injured 

 — or two animals to evcy carload. 



Q. You are sure of that ? A. Yes. It is often necessary for us to remove a bullock from 

 a yard to stop its being injured. Where we see or I ear of a bull ck being set upon we separate 

 it from the rest. 



Mr. Gibson. — What is the proportion of fat cattle and of stockers among those you speak 

 of 1 A. There would be about half of each. 



Q. Do you tiud less fat cattle injured and more stockers? A. The greatest amount of in-' 

 jury is done to fat cattle. 



Q. If you get a load of well-bred cattle don't you find that they are vicious and inclined to 

 hook I A. We find greater necessity for dividing fat cattle than s'ockers. 



Q. You say that 10 per cent, are injured more or less. Would you have the other 90 per 

 cent, suffer by dehorning to do away with the ill-nature of the few ? A. From a financial stand- 

 point I would say that the injury inflicted is quite a item. 



Q. Could you not dehorn the ten per cent, of vicious ones? A. But you can't draw the 

 line. 



Q. If there is so much depreciation of property, do you no" think it would be better to tie 

 the animals up in the cars and in the yards ? A Yes, that would be be'ter than at present. 



Mr. Drury. — Would it be an advantage to the shippers and a humane thing for the cattle, 

 if they were dehorned — as far as the railway journey is concerned ? A. Well, that requires 

 modifying. There are cases where the load will come in all right, where they have not inter- 

 fered with each other ; but again most of the animals are effected by the hooking. 



Q. So that you think it would be an advantage if the horns were off ? A. That is my con- 

 viction in the matter. 



Q. Have you had any experience as a cattle-raiser ? A. No. But I have had experience 

 from childhood with cattle, as my father was a butcher. 



Tilsonburg, Tuesday, May 10. 



Thomas RUTHERFORD, farmer, Delmer, Dereham township, sworn said: I usually keep 

 from twenty to twenty-live cows, and make a specialty of dairving. I dehorned some of my 

 cattle a year ago last February and some 1 st (all. It was a new thing to me until I saw that a 

 neighbor had dehorned his. They looked so quiet it struck me there must be something in it. 

 This was in summer. I waited until the fall and decided that if it was not too much punish 

 merit for the cows it would I e a good thing to have, the horns oil". I got a neighbor — young Mr. 

 Smith— to perform the operation on thirteen head. i his w.is a year ago last February. I was 

 so pleased with the result that I concluded last fall to have the horns off all my herd. At first 

 the quiet ones were allowed to keep their horns, but these became bossy and 1 decided to have 

 all the horns taken oft'. Ore ter quietude resulted. My practice is to stable cattle in winter, in 

 the stanchions chiefly. Injuries have been inflicted by hours in the stanchions. In swinging 

 around one was liable to injure another with its horns. The eyesight of two animals was in- 

 jured in this way. A good deal of damage was done ith horns. 1 have had udders ripped and 

 a '|uarterof the bag destroyed, the animals giving bloody milk. A colt has also been hooked. 1 



