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Weekly Market Association of London. I keep 64 cows and have kept from 125 to 150. My 

 cattle are not dehorned, but I am in favor of the practice. I dehorned from 15 to 25 head about 

 four years ago this spring, and I don't think there is so much pain as in castration. 



Q. J)o you consider that the benefits from dehorning are commensurate with the pain 

 inflicted '. A. Yes; I am quite convinced they are. I believe it is a humane thing to do. 

 When cattle have their horns on some of them are very bossy ; when they go to drink two or 

 three will stand there and prevent the others getting near. Then they are constantly hooking. 



Q. Do you think that dehorning gets over all these difficulties? A. Yes ; we always found 

 that polled cattle were quiet and disposed to be quiet, while horned cattle were unruly and 

 inclined to hook each other. 



Q. Have you had losses owing to the horns ? A. Yes ; I have had them hook each other 

 pretty badly. 1 lost a colt by hooking two or three years ago. I had two horses gored but 

 they got over it. 



Q. You say you have performed the operation and have 64 now that are not dehorned ; 

 how is that ? A. Well, when this trial came up it didn't look like a safe thing to do. 

 I would have dehorned my herd in the spring if this prosecution hadn't been commenced. 



Q. I )o you regard dehorning as a humane act, and believe that the suffering is more than 

 balanced by the good results ? A. Yes, most decidedly. 



Q. If you w T ere purchasing and had a choice between horned and dehorned cattle, which 

 would you prefer ? A. I would certainly give preference to the dehorned cattle. If I were 

 buying 100 head, everything else being equal, 1 would give .$200 more for those without the 

 horns, or about $2 per head. 



Mr. Gibson. — You say you performed the operation ; what is the proper age in your opin- 

 ion ? A. 1 have performed it on calves and yearlings. I tried caustic and could not succeed 

 with it. Perhaps I didn't do it right. I should think the use of the gouge on calves would be 

 more painful than the other method. 



Q. Don't you think it would be better to breed horns off than to cut them off . ? A. They 

 can be bred off, but I don't see the necessity of waiting for that. 



Mr. Kelso. — Would you approve of the dehorning of all the cattle in this province used 

 for dairying ? A. Yes, I think it would be a great benefit to the business. 



Mr. Gibson — What about fraud as to age if the horns were off? A. I don't think there is 

 much in that. 



Q. What time would you consider the best for the operation ? A. April or November, or 

 any cold time would do, provided the animals were kept in a comfortable place. 



Q. As president of the Dairymen's Association, suppose a herd of cows were dehorned in 

 May and had a disharge of pus, would you regard the milk as fit and proper to send to the 

 dairy '. A. I don't think it would damage the milk at all. 



Mr. Kelso. — Are there any cattle dehorned in this neighborhood at present? A. No, but. 

 since the prosecution there has been a good deal of talk in favor of it. 



Charles S. Tamlin, V. S., London, sworn, gave evidence as follows : I have been a 

 veterinary surgeon from three to four years, and completed my studies in Toronto. I have not 

 performed the operation of d horning, nor have I ever seen it done. 



Q. Have you seen any animals that have been dehorned ? A. Yes, I paid two visits to 

 William York's farm for the purposes of the prosecution. 



Q. How long after the operation ? A. The first time was two weeks after, at the request of 

 the president of the Humane Society ; the second time was about six weeks after the operation. 

 There were about thirty cows that had been dehorned. On my first visit I only examined the 

 cattle casually ; seven or eight of them were shaking their heads, and were discharging pus from 

 the cavities. They would not stand to let me touch them. On my second visit three or four of 

 the cows were discharging pus, but I would not consider they were suffering as much as on my 

 first visit. A discharge of pus shows that an inflammatory process has taken place in the cavity 

 exposed by cutting off the horn. This would affect the health of the cow, causing a certain 

 amount of fever, and would also affect the nervous system owing to the more direct contact with 

 the air through the cavities to the brain. By sawing off the horn only the inner wall is left to 

 protect the brain. This inner wall is only ,', to J of an inch in thicknes, while the outside wall 

 is £ to \ an inch thick. 1 think the removal of this outer wall would have a serious effect on 

 the nervous system. 



Mr. Gibson. — Having been sent to examine these cattle did you take the temperature ! 

 A. No. 



Q. If there was a discharge of pus would there not be a rise of temperature ? A. Yes, but 

 there could be a discharge of pus without an increase of temperature. 



Q. Now, as to this pus, how did you know it was pus ? A. From its appearance ; I saw 

 there was a soreness. On pressing my finger on the spot the discharge would ooze out, and I 

 concluded it was pus. 



